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I note that Widener's has military .311 bullets on sale for only $152 for 2,000.

Perfect for making plinker grade ammo for your Lee Enfileds and Moisan Nagants.

http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=278|281|296
 
Military bullets are steel core steel jacket, same as in Czech surplus. They will ruin you M44 barrel after 1000. This is why this #### is so cheap.
 
Bimetal jackets will not ruin your barrel. One of the main factors for machine guns is barrel life. If bimetal jackets did ruin barrels, they wouldn't be used in MG's.
 
A friend who would thoughtfully deliver these the next time he came to visit? Or who would thoughtfully put them in a box and mail them?
Would probably be an ex-firend if he got caught violating US export control laws.
 
CanAm said:
Bimetal jackets will not ruin your barrel. One of the main factors for machine guns is barrel life. If bimetal jackets did ruin barrels, they wouldn't be used in MG's.
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You should pay attention before commenting. Majority of 311 caliber owners in Canada are the owners of wartime or post-war Mosins, where the barrels were manufactured from steel that only retains proper rifling for a few hundred shots. There was a change in doctrine during the first days of WW2 and the Russians stopped using quality steel, because an average soldier only fired a few dozen shots before getting killed anyway. You are talking about the MG barrels designed to fire steel jacketed ammunition at high rate. Those are apples and oranges.
 
svt-40 said:
You should pay attention before commenting. Majority of 311 caliber owners in Canada are the owners of wartime or post-war Mosins, where the barrels were manufactured from steel that only retains proper rifling for a few hundred shots. There was a change in doctrine during the first days of WW2 and the Russians stopped using quality steel, because an average soldier only fired a few dozen shots before getting killed anyway. You are talking about the MG barrels designed to fire steel jacketed ammunition at high rate. Those are apples and oranges.
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I am not talking barrel steel, just the difference in wear rates between Tombac plated mild steel and gilding metal jackets. And why the snarky retort?
 
CanAm said:
I am not talking barrel steel, just the difference in wear rates between Tombac plated mild steel and gilding metal jackets. And why the snarky retort?
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Well, first of all it's not. And second, I wrote specifically about M44 whose barrels wear off the quickest with bimetal ammo.
 
svt-40 said:
You should pay attention before commenting. Majority of 311 caliber owners in Canada are the owners of wartime or post-war Mosins, where the barrels were manufactured from steel that only retains proper rifling for a few hundred shots. There was a change in doctrine during the first days of WW2 and the Russians stopped using quality steel, because an average soldier only fired a few dozen shots before getting killed anyway. You are talking about the MG barrels designed to fire steel jacketed ammunition at high rate. Those are apples and oranges.
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This is the very first time I've ever heard about this... If this is so, then why is anyone buying or importing mid-war or post-war Mosins to begin with?
 
About 3" or so depending on ammo and how much the shooter does or doesn't care at the time, same as they've always been. Then again, my rifle is dated 39 so who knows. Still sounds like an oddball theory to me though.
 
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