Can this be confirmed ? And if so, is there any thing that can be done to get them to SELL the stuff?
.303 British, Modern Bulk Production?
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Can this be confirmed ? And if so, is there any thing that can be done to get them to SELL the stuff?
i dont think the military can sell to civilians in Canada, correct me if im wrong.Can this be confirmed ? And if so, is there any thing that can be done to get them to SELL the stuff?
DND does not burn small arms ammunition anymore, hasn't for years. Static furnaces are out of service and field furnaces have been removed from service and destroyed. Extremely unlikely Gagetown has 1,000,000 rounds of .303 and even if they did lack of storage space would not justify disposal. It would go back to an ammo depot.
Travis Bickle
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Yeah I was waiting for that comment to be honest.
Reloading .303 (if you can find powder, if you can find proper projectiles) probably doesn't put you any closer to $23 buck a box for Wal Mart Federal stuff.
I can't see it being all that much cheaper with the price of powder alone these days IF you can even find any for sale sadly.
I'm just saying, if MFS can hammer out 7.62x54R for like $0.46 a round it's not that far off a stretch for any of the bulk, steel cased ammo manufacturers to just pump out .303 Brit. I know they could, I guess they just don't as the #1 consumer is the USA and they aren't big on the .303 Brit down South. I guess I'm just dreaming
Travis Bickle
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Correct 100% and Dundurn in all probability.
Actually the Russians are making and selling cheap ($0.48 per round) copper washed steel cased 174gr. .303 berdan primed ammo in bulk but not in Canada yet thanks to Natural Resources Canada (NRCan) and their strict ammunition testing and approval requirements.
Actually the Russians are making and selling cheap ($0.48 per round) copper washed steel cased 174gr. .303 berdan primed ammo in bulk but not in Canada yet thanks to Natural Resources Canada (NRCan) and their strict ammunition testing and approval requirements.
Called it!
Now we just need an importer to jump thru the NRCan hoops...
CanAm?
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Eaglelord17
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Its pretty cost effective. When I was buying 7.62x54r for .25 cents a round, it was costing me about .34-.35cents a round for .303 British. Usually though I would use the bullets for .303 British and use the powder elsewhere. Even if your just using the bullet it is still cheaper than buying one from a reloading store (40$ and up for 100 bullets, vs. .25 cents a bullet for the pulled surplus).
from what I saw while trying to reload .303 You are lucky if you can get one reload from a brass case. The chamber in any mil surplus .303 is not anywhere near small. Never tried the o-ring thing in those days.
Eaglelord17
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Depends on your rifles chamber. My P14 for example has a nice tight chamber, and as such the brass doesn't get all wonky like most Enfield chambers. I am at 6+ reloads for some of my brass and this is using a full length sizing die.
Yea, you don't resize the case, just the neck. I have a No1MkIII and a No4Mk2 and keep the brass separated for the rifle that fired it. I have bought a crate + of 7.62x54r for the very reason of pulling the projectiles (I don't even own a Nagant). Some here have said to reduce the factory Russian load by 10% case volume and you have a good range load for the .303Br reloading with the russian powder as well as the bullet. I was intending on mixing the Russian powder into the garden myself...the savings on the projectiles themselves made the purchase worthwhile believe it or not.
If the Russians are manufacturing .303Br we MUST get Canam on this and revive the noble Enfield in Canada, and hear the rifle range bark of victory once again on our shores
(Hows that for pulling on the Patriot heartstrings?)...If that isn't motivation, an Importer should know that if it's priced right, it will fly off the shelves. Most if not all Canadian rifle shooters own an Enfield.
Yea, you don't resize the case, just the neck. I have a No1MkIII and a No4Mk2 and keep the brass separated for the rifle that fired it. I have bought a crate + of 7.62x54r for the very reason of pulling the projectiles (I don't even own a Nagant). Some here have said to reduce the factory Russian load by 10% case volume and you have a good range load for the .303Br reloading with the russian powder as well as the bullet. I was intending on mixing the Russian powder into the garden myself...the savings on the projectiles themselves made the purchase worthwhile believe it or not.
If the Russians are manufacturing .303Br we MUST get Canam on this and revive the noble Enfield in Canada, and hear the rifle range bark of victory once again on our shores
You have a way with words! What do you say, CanAm?
Pulling down surplus 7.62x54R to use the powder and bullets for .303 is cost-effective for cheap blasting ammo. Keep your expectations in line with the fact that you aren't starting with the best quality components and the bullets are typically a bit undersize (.3095"-.310") for the .303.
A collet puller on your press is the way to go. You will likely also need some way of slightly set the bullets back in the case to break through the crimp and sealant prior to pulling. A 7.62x54R seating die is best if you have one. I have used a Lee decapper die with the pin reversed to work as a punch; a vise should also work.
Measure the powder charges and bullet weights in the 7.62x54R rounds. Consult whatever load data you can find for the 7.62x54R that shows similar charges for a given commercially available powder to give you a rough idea to what the surplus powder is similar. Use the .303 data for that same powder and bullet weight as a guide.
Keep your loads on the conservative side and you should be fine:
1. The surplus powder is not going to exactly duplicate some commercial powder.
2. Get the most life out of your .303 cases.
2. Maximum velocity isn't important for close range paper-punching, anyway.
A collet puller on your press is the way to go. You will likely also need some way of slightly set the bullets back in the case to break through the crimp and sealant prior to pulling. A 7.62x54R seating die is best if you have one. I have used a Lee decapper die with the pin reversed to work as a punch; a vise should also work.
Measure the powder charges and bullet weights in the 7.62x54R rounds. Consult whatever load data you can find for the 7.62x54R that shows similar charges for a given commercially available powder to give you a rough idea to what the surplus powder is similar. Use the .303 data for that same powder and bullet weight as a guide.
Keep your loads on the conservative side and you should be fine:
1. The surplus powder is not going to exactly duplicate some commercial powder.
2. Get the most life out of your .303 cases.
2. Maximum velocity isn't important for close range paper-punching, anyway.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Actually the Russians are making and selling cheap ($0.48 per round) copper washed steel cased 174gr. .303 berdan primed ammo in bulk but not in Canada yet thanks to Natural Resources Canada (NRCan) and their strict ammunition testing and approval requirements.
Lots of surplus .303 on the US market. It just does not get up here anymore.
This surplus POF .303 ammo is selling in the USA for $0.36 a round when bought in bulk -
Well there it is for f**ks sake!
Someone with channels already available and open import this stuff in massive bulk and keep the price sort of kind of around $0.75 per round.
Anyone? You wouldn't be able to keep the stuff on the shelves.
I don't think "existing demand" for this item would even have to be considered. This Canada. The Lee Enfield? Are you kidding me? How has this not even happened yet!?
It's the single reason I don't own an Enfield. Would buy 2 crates off the hop pre-order.....
