303Carbine's Yugo M-48 8mm mauser
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The Yugo rifles are not collectible and I would not do this to a historical piece.
I wanted a functional rifle and this one was a good candidate for the conversion. The M-48 was accurate as a military rifle and its even more accurate with the scope. Since it has no historical value I went and had the work done. I have a nice original 1942 Lithgow .303 that I would never alter because of the history behind it. This is the rifle that I had a bead on a nice blackie yesterday and watched him for a couple of minutes before scaring him off into the woods. The bi-pod works really well and really steadies the rifle in a hunting situation or for target shooting.
The Yugo rifles are not collectible and I would not do this to a historical piece.
I wanted a functional rifle and this one was a good candidate for the conversion. The M-48 was accurate as a military rifle and its even more accurate with the scope. Since it has no historical value I went and had the work done. I have a nice original 1942 Lithgow .303 that I would never alter because of the history behind it. This is the rifle that I had a bead on a nice blackie yesterday and watched him for a couple of minutes before scaring him off into the woods. The bi-pod works really well and really steadies the rifle in a hunting situation or for target shooting.
303carbine said:The Yugo rifles are not collectible and I would not do this to a historical piece.....
It is your gun and you are of course free to do what you want with your proprerty. Of course when you post pics and your opinions, you are inviting counter opinions.
I say the Yugos are "collectible", and do have "historical value". You have taken a $400 gun, added $300 or so to it and made it a $300 gun - your business.
It is great, the height of scope is perfect and sure it's a good platform to shoot from.
Collectible?....give me a break....some people have their own value and I don't mind, but when they force other to accpet their view, I get pissed.
Having been a researcher in U of T, I don't see the "historical value" of certain milsurp guns. They were made in millions, the researching job was done long time ago. They are scrap metals, yes, that's it.
If anyone want to reserve the historical value, fine, collect them and open a museum. Bring kids to your museum and educate them. Write something and put it on internet. Write a book if you are really good. But don't be an activist and kill others firearm hobby.
Collectible?....give me a break....some people have their own value and I don't mind, but when they force other to accpet their view, I get pissed.
Having been a researcher in U of T, I don't see the "historical value" of certain milsurp guns. They were made in millions, the researching job was done long time ago. They are scrap metals, yes, that's it.
If anyone want to reserve the historical value, fine, collect them and open a museum. Bring kids to your museum and educate them. Write something and put it on internet. Write a book if you are really good. But don't be an activist and kill others firearm hobby.
michaelsabre said:
Get pissed then.
When someone invites opinion on a sportereized military rifle in a forum devoted to COLLECTING military rifles in original condition, you HAVE to EXPECT criticism. Anything less would be foolhardy.
Frankly, most professors I know ARE living in an academic dream world and force their opinions on others AL THE TIME. Go figure.
Anyhow, 20 years ago, Enfields weren't collectible. 5 years ago, Sweded Mausers weren't collectible.
10 years ago M1 garands weren't collectible.
When like new M48's are gone from Marstar, you'd better believe people will consider them collectible too - think about it!
Well, "a forum devoted to COLLECTING military rifles in original condition", that's new to me. I am quite sure that's opinion instead of fact.
ANYTHING is collectible. Just check Internet to see how people collect "collectibles" ...
One can define "collectible" for himeself, just like others can define the same thing as normal tools. It's up to him to prove they have real value. Before He can sell his idea to majority, they are what they are - low cost tools, no matter what they will be 10 years later.
ANYTHING is collectible. Just check Internet to see how people collect "collectibles" ...
One can define "collectible" for himeself, just like others can define the same thing as normal tools. It's up to him to prove they have real value. Before He can sell his idea to majority, they are what they are - low cost tools, no matter what they will be 10 years later.
Claven2 said:
This happens from time to time when folks post a picture of a sporterized milsurp in this forum. The facts are this.
1. The rifle is your personal property, do with it as you will.
2. This is a forum dedicated to collecting milsurp rifles. Essentially, we all collect milsurps here. Making statements like "uncollectable" and "no historical value", in the presense of folks who feel that every milsurp is collectible and has historical value, is kind of like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Sure, it's your gun and you can do whatever you like with it, but coming here to show off your work is going to elicit a response you probably weren't thinking it would. Good luck with the hunting, I'm sure that that rifle is going to be very good bear/moose/elk medicine.
1. The rifle is your personal property, do with it as you will.
2. This is a forum dedicated to collecting milsurp rifles. Essentially, we all collect milsurps here. Making statements like "uncollectable" and "no historical value", in the presense of folks who feel that every milsurp is collectible and has historical value, is kind of like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Sure, it's your gun and you can do whatever you like with it, but coming here to show off your work is going to elicit a response you probably weren't thinking it would. Good luck with the hunting, I'm sure that that rifle is going to be very good bear/moose/elk medicine.
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I could understand if I took a nice 2A1 in 7.62 and chopped the wood and added a scope that might be a sore point for military collectors. And I certainly wouldn't do it to a collectible German Mauser but the Yugo to me is a nice rifle just not collectible. Maybe in 50 years the Yugo will enjoy the limelight with other Mauser's of the time, but for now I will enjoy it as a hunting rifle.
I could understand if I took a nice 2A1 in 7.62 and chopped the wood and added a scope that might be a sore point for military collectors. And I certainly wouldn't do it to a collectible German Mauser but the Yugo to me is a nice rifle just not collectible. Maybe in 50 years the Yugo will enjoy the limelight with other Mauser's of the time, but for now I will enjoy it as a hunting rifle.
Fine, if this forum is dedicated to collecting milsurp rifles, then we shouldn't put this pic here. But may I ask why SKS was moved here? Because of it's collectable? When Norinco is still assembling them?
Anyhow, it's a fact that most guys enjoy handy hobbies, we improve motorcycles, house and so on so on. So far SKS and 10/22 play the role, but 10/22 lacks power and SKS lacks accuracy, we need something else.
Moderators will define this forum.
Anyhow, it's a fact that most guys enjoy handy hobbies, we improve motorcycles, house and so on so on. So far SKS and 10/22 play the role, but 10/22 lacks power and SKS lacks accuracy, we need something else.
Moderators will define this forum.
Deano said:
No need to make excuses, its your property. From a purely cosmetic point of view the bipod placement looks odd. iI would say attaching it to the middle band on the stock would have made it look more in ballance, and it can be easily done.303carbine said:
The scope and rings make it look like a 60s overhaul, still a good plain looking fixed power scope gives it that erzatz sniper look, mind you I think a side-mount would have made that look better.
All in all not bad, oh, maybe blue the bolt handle??
Remember history is perpetual, not stagnant, you are a part of its history as its current owner as well.
The SKS is a military surplus rifle, that's why it belongs here. Norinco may produce new rifles, but IMA (sp?) in Australia makes new Lee- Enfield clones and no one doubts that the Lee-Enfield belongs in this forum.
Your argument is pointless and not particularly well put. I wont even try to decipher your last sentence fragment.
Your argument is pointless and not particularly well put. I wont even try to decipher your last sentence fragment.
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michaelsabre said:
I made no "definitions", nor did I speculate on what types of firearms go into this forum, and what types do not. I simply stated two facts. Those facts are valid, and you have made no vaild counterargument to dispute my facts. You have made a fallacious, (red herring), counter argument that lacks validity.
1. The rifle belongs to 303 carbine, yes? He did a good job on his work, so I would not call him a "bubba". Is he entitled to do whatever he likes with the rifle? Of course, it belongs to him. He can paint it pink for all I care.
2. This forum is a Milsurp forum, yes? Dedicated to collecting millsurps? Coming here to show off a sporter job is going to piss off the locals, so to speak. My point, which you ignore, is simply that coming on to the forum to show off the sporter job is going to elicit that particular respnonse. Plain and simple. I made no judgements in my original post, I stated facts.
No to argue against your analogy about collectibles and hobbies, you use motocycles and houses as an analogy. To counter that, I would say that you are partially correct. People do improve homes and motorcycles. Where you err, is on the chosen place to show off your work. If this was the gunsmithing forum, then showing the addition of a scope and bipod would certainly not elicit any type of negative response. Using your motorcycle analogy, lets pretend that a fellow with a Harley Davidson bike wen onto a web forum that was dedicated to the restoration and collection of Harley Davidson motorcycles and told all the members about how he had added a Honda engine and Suzuki parts to his vintage Harley, including pics. What type of response do you think this would elicit? What if the web forum was a simple repair/restore site, not a harley collectors site? I would think, reasonably, that the collectors would get pissed off, but the repair/mechanic folks wouldn't care. YOur analogy is not really valid, is it? You cannot compare a milsurp collectors forum to a general repair (gunsmithing) forum. They are not the same. Similarly, you cannot compare a motorcycle repair site to a motorcycle collector site. One type are "purists" and the oter type are "fixer/improvers". My advice, for what it is worth, would have been to post this pic in the gunsmithing forum. I'm sure that the response would have been much better, and anybody who whined about "altering a milsurp" could have been rightly told to bugger off.
