That's just silly. Remove the receiver/firing section of an m14 from the wooden stock and just see how well it works when the mag falls out, the trigger group falls out......the firearm will not "function as a firearm" without the chassis.
.308 bullpups in Canada
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That's just silly. Remove the receiver/firing section of an m14 from the wooden stock and just see how well it works when the mag falls out, the trigger group falls out......the firearm will not "function as a firearm" without the chassis.
Here is the logic so far as I understand it:
M14 and rifles like it that were designed to be fired conventionally were meant to be fired conventionally. Whether they fire with stock or not, they were designed to be fired that way and stocks/chassis/whatchamacall'ems that change this operation to bullpup are illegal. Why? The logic is that they make guns shorter, therefore concealable, therefore more baby killing and probably the adding of bits that may alter fire control that may give you full auto or something like that. Stupid? Yes, but you better be good at law and pushing indifferent people if you want to change laws.
What about the RFB? The RFB was built from the beginning to be a bullpup and turning it conventional would require more than just a slap on stock/chassis/thingymajigs and because of this, it is true bullpup.
Honestly, I don't think they had the M14 or any .308 rifle in mind when they penned this law. I think it was meant for drop in stocks for the mini-14 and other .223 rifles like the AUG.
M14 and rifles like it that were designed to be fired conventionally were meant to be fired conventionally. Whether they fire with stock or not, they were designed to be fired that way and stocks/chassis/whatchamacall'ems that change this operation to bullpup are illegal. Why? The logic is that they make guns shorter, therefore concealable, therefore more baby killing and probably the adding of bits that may alter fire control that may give you full auto or something like that. Stupid? Yes, but you better be good at law and pushing indifferent people if you want to change laws.
What about the RFB? The RFB was built from the beginning to be a bullpup and turning it conventional would require more than just a slap on stock/chassis/thingymajigs and because of this, it is true bullpup.
Honestly, I don't think they had the M14 or any .308 rifle in mind when they penned this law. I think it was meant for drop in stocks for the mini-14 and other .223 rifles like the AUG.
There's the rub.....you can't reasonably say "its illegal cuz its short" when all kinds of short machine pistols are now legal, folding stocks, tavors and RFBs. You can't. They are all "FIREARMS" that "SHOOT" the "SAME BULLETS" whether it is a 27 inch Folding Stock, a Tavor or a converted M-14. They are ALL THE SAME TYPE of FIREARM when it comes to size, weight, caliber, length. They are all REASONABLY the same and it is what I would use in court.......and may do that in fact.
Hey, you're preaching to the choir. Tell all that to the antigun crowd, indifferent people, lawyers, and politicians. What do you think you'd accomplish telling us, FIREARM ENTHUSIASTS, about this obvious stuff? If you haven't noticed, it's not the court where you have to the do the convincing, but the antigun crowd, indifferent people, lawyers and politicians. Yes, I did say that twice because you don't seem to get it. You change laws by changing people and if you haven't noticed, people are more emotional than logical.
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In the case of the legal bullpups the stock component is also the receiver component; not so with the kits for the SKS's, M14's ect. The receiver is a separate component from the stock or chassis component so therefore illegal. Why illegal is beyond me.
So what.....there is still a stock component and it's "a bullpup" and it "shortens" the length of the firearm and puts the "magazine behind the trigger". As I said earlier....allow them all.....or ban them all. I suggest the former would happen otherwise a great many firearms would be made illegal.
I have never seen one at a Canadian range but the TCI M89-SR (also known as the Sirkis M36 SR) is one sweet piece of kit. It is a M14 based Israeli bullpup that is guaranteed at 1 MOA but I have read that most will shoot 1/2 MOA. Anyone have one or know of one in Canada?
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This may be more a question to those in the Legal Beagles section, but this is just thinking out loud.
By Canadian law you cannot adapt a rifle from a standard to a bullpup configuation. Bullpup rifles are however legal, as long as they are manufactured to be in that configuation and are not adapted to be that way.
However, a person can legally make or have made and register a standard reciever/rifle... its done all the time.
So the question is can a person manufacture a rifle in a bullpup configuation for legal registration in Canada?
By Canadian law you cannot adapt a rifle from a standard to a bullpup configuation. Bullpup rifles are however legal, as long as they are manufactured to be in that configuation and are not adapted to be that way.
However, a person can legally make or have made and register a standard reciever/rifle... its done all the time.
So the question is can a person manufacture a rifle in a bullpup configuation for legal registration in Canada?
