I agree with this...The fact is, the .308 and 30-06 are very close in performance. If you are confident with your 30-06 for your hunting needs, then you'll likely be just fine with the .308 too.Bowie said:
.308 effective range on moose
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Big differance in hydrostatic shock between these 2.
I do agree with the distance errors though. Its funny , try this with your buddies, how far is that shed over there? You will be shocked at some of the answers.
Frank
Levi Garrett said:
well, they only are seperated by 200 fps tops, so how can this small increase of muzzle velocity attribute to big differences in 'hydrostatic shock'??
I think this gap could be lessened or even eliminated by using a faster expanding bullet in a 308, like a SST or NBT, compared to a 30-06 with a regular soft point.
I just dont see that big of a gap between these cartridges, especially in the field.
I don't know about this whole "Hydrostatic Shock" bit, but here's the facts.
Both at 200yrds with a 180gr softie
Energy ft-lbs
.308win = 1896
30-06sp = 2023
Difference = 127 ft/lbs
Honestly.....I don't think the moose will feel the difference.
Both at 200yrds with a 180gr softie
Energy ft-lbs
.308win = 1896
30-06sp = 2023
Difference = 127 ft/lbs
Honestly.....I don't think the moose will feel the difference.
Mumptia said:
Exacatacaly!!
Practice makes perfect. The more rounds down-range, the better off you'll be in the field. To the point where all will come naturally when that trophy walks out into view!
I usually put at least 1 box of ammo through my 308 just prior to fall season.
44fordy said:
####, I'll probably put 5 0r 6 boxes through mine throughout the summer and the dam gun will still be more accurate than me.
Ah well, I can think of worse things to do than sitting at the sand pit burning powder practising for that one perfect shot
Mumptia said:Ah well, I can think of worse things to do than sitting at the sand pit burning powder practising for that one perfect shot
Can't agree more. I looooove the smell of gunsmoke and spent casings!!
They should make a cologne like that!!!
For factory ammo - the 308 comes at its best with the 180gr. Federal HE.
Excedes some factory 30-06 loads.
If you reload......welll....
The movement in the heavier medium (moose' body) is slowed down by friction forces (Stokes) that are proportional with square velocity.
If you choose the right load and practise..... the bullet will inflict a mortal wound well beyond 500yds. On the flip side, I don't know of any hunter that wants to do that (other than dedicated LR-ers).
I agree that if Long Range is your thing.... go for 338.... and make it Lapua.
Whatever you do....please don't use the Light Magnum ones from Hornady.
Awesome on deer... will come short for moose. Hornady made the SST LM line @3000fps. The bullets were improved after a while adding the SST-Interlock. For close shots , the speed is too high, and for the long ones....no oomph. (150gr). For deer it spells havoc - for moose - well my group lost one nice moose because of an insuccesful attempt to put it in thru the fron leg....
Excedes some factory 30-06 loads.
If you reload......welll....
The movement in the heavier medium (moose' body) is slowed down by friction forces (Stokes) that are proportional with square velocity.
If you choose the right load and practise..... the bullet will inflict a mortal wound well beyond 500yds. On the flip side, I don't know of any hunter that wants to do that (other than dedicated LR-ers).
I agree that if Long Range is your thing.... go for 338.... and make it Lapua.
Whatever you do....please don't use the Light Magnum ones from Hornady.
Awesome on deer... will come short for moose. Hornady made the SST LM line @3000fps. The bullets were improved after a while adding the SST-Interlock. For close shots , the speed is too high, and for the long ones....no oomph. (150gr). For deer it spells havoc - for moose - well my group lost one nice moose because of an insuccesful attempt to put it in thru the fron leg....
Levi Garrett said:Big differance in hydrostatic shock between these 2.
I do agree with the distance errors though. Its funny , try this with your buddies, how far is that shed over there? You will be shocked at some of the answers.
Frank
Huh?
I've shot animals with a 308, 30-06, and 300WM, and if you could tell me the difference between the entrance and exit holes...
I'd give you the guns that were shot with.
The biggest difference between the three isnt noticable inside of 300 yards.
BUllet drop wont be an issue, because if your shooting a game animal at 300+ yards, you better know your rifle, and where its hitting at that distance.
A big difference in hydrostatic energy is a 357 Mag, vs a 358 Win@ 50 yards, not a 308 vs 30-06.
a 30-30 vs a 300RUM, there's a difference...
Thanks for all your input guys. Do you guys think a .300 win mag would be too much gun for a day at the range? I am looking for the best of both worlds here. Something that I can shoot at the range and occasionally hunt moose. And now we are back to the good ol' .308 or .300 win debate...lol
The .300 Win Mag has significantly more recoil in similar rifles than the .308, but I guess it depends on how much you shoot during a day at the range. A .308 is plenty for target shooting at quite long ranges, so I am not sure what practical benefit you will see from the .300 Win Mag, plus the .308 burns less powder and the availability of match grade brass is better too.
Consider the flexibility of a .308....deer, moose, bear - all can be killed humanely with aplomb (always wanted to use that word)
available everywhere - enough power to go the 300 metres that we're discussing - pleasant to shoot.....
I sound like Jeff Cooper!!
available everywhere - enough power to go the 300 metres that we're discussing - pleasant to shoot.....
I sound like Jeff Cooper!!
There was an article published in RIFLE a few years ago which looked at a large study out of Sweden or Norway. Data was collected from thousands of hunters (via a third party) and was used to compile stats on how many rounds were fired to kill their moose. The results may surprise you. There was really NO significant difference between many average rounds from the 6.5x55, through to the .375 H&H.
While we are all debating ranges, etc., first thing to remember is that you got to haul the swamp donkey out of there. 50 yds or 350 yds - can make the difference between a damn fine day and a friggin' fiasco, no matter what the shootin' is like!
Ok, after doing a bit of research on this, I have decided to go with the .308. I like the Federal HE ammo, and when I get into reloading I can make my own "hot" loads. It should take whatever my 30-06 could take. This forum is a great source of info and a big help!
On a side note...I was talking to a buddy of mine at work and he told me that his father took a moose at 450 yards with an old .308 bolt action. It was getting dark and he had to make the shot. He put 3 bullets into it out of 5 and it droped a couple yards from where it stood. If they can take moose around here at .300 yards with .303's I am pretty sure a .308 can handle it.
On a side note...I was talking to a buddy of mine at work and he told me that his father took a moose at 450 yards with an old .308 bolt action. It was getting dark and he had to make the shot. He put 3 bullets into it out of 5 and it droped a couple yards from where it stood. If they can take moose around here at .300 yards with .303's I am pretty sure a .308 can handle it.
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Here is an easy way to decide, you have 2 firearms on the table,both are the same make model, barrel length, both have premium ammo loaded to the max for that caliber. One is a 30-06 the other a .308. The moose is at 300 meters.
Which gun do you pick up, I know which one I would pick up
Frank
Which gun do you pick up, I know which one I would pick up
Frank
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I'd take the one that shoots best, the other one's a POS.Levi Garrett said:Here is an easy way to decide, you have 2 firearms on the table,both are the same make model, barrel length, both have premium ammo loaded to the max for that caliber. One is a 30-06 the other a .308. The moose is at 300 meters.
Which gun do you pick up, I know which one I would pick up
Frank
There isn't enough difference between the '06, and the '08 to matter at 300 meters, unless the '06 has 200 grain or better bullet loads.
Which one do you shoot better?Levi Garrett said:Here is an easy way to decide, you have 2 firearms on the table,both are the same make model, barrel length, both have premium ammo loaded to the max for that caliber. One is a 30-06 the other a .308. The moose is at 300 meters.
Which gun do you pick up, I know which one I would pick up
Frank
