bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
I guess it would've been too easy to shoot the moose in the head at 50 yards to begin with. Maybe they taste better with a tenderizing gut shot.
Whatever, nice story.
308 for bears
- Thread starter thehunterman
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I guess it would've been too easy to shoot the moose in the head at 50 yards to begin with. Maybe they taste better with a tenderizing gut shot.
Whatever, nice story.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
A million blackies have been killed with .30/30s so yes, a .308 or a .30/06 will get it done, so will most other modern centerfire cartridges. If you find yourself in big bear country a .308 or a .30/06 will work in a hunting scenario, although the correct bullet choice is more important, but something bigger might prove beneficial in the protection role. Having said that my wife's bear gun is a semi-custom 1600 Husky carbine in .30/06, most often loaded with 180 gr TSXs. IMHO, the TSX gives the best penetration of normal weight bullet and the Husky's 1:12 twist won't stabilize the Woodleigh 240's I prefer in my Brno when I carry an '06. An conventional expanding .30 caliber bullet that typically produces only 12" of penetration isn't enough for a big bear.
Hey, man, I didn't shoot it, just helped him find it. I got nothing. I was just saying that if a .22 can do it, then a .308 certainly can.
xring_assassin
Regular
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- Rocky Mountain House, Alberta
Why not add a bit of challenge and go with an arrow?
Quoted for importance.
The above post is EXACTLY what every person who posts a "is this caliber gonna work" thread. In fact it should be a mandatory read before being able to post.
Yes, shoot and easily kill yer bear with a .308
I would say 308 is plenty for a wee black bear. If nobody catches a NANUQ(polar bear) before this coming Saturday I have 48 hrs to go get one ... I'll be bringing along ROCHELLE my springfield M1A .308 ... 
Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
A mandatory read? Did you miss the part about intentionally gut shooting a moose with a .22?
Done it 4 or 5 times, no great trick, and not from a stand over bait (illegal in Yukon) all spot and stalk. Been looking for a grizzly to stick last couple years but no luck yet, maybe this spring.
My apologies, can't get much further off thread.
- Location
- Where the sun shines
Pfff; too much stick for a bear.Or for even more challenge, use a Bic pen.
Sharpened popsicle stick, while only wearing a camo thong; You strangle the bear to death with the thong, and use the popsicle stick for the gutting.
Isn't there something just a little unethical about using a 22 on big game? Inconsiderate too. Use enough gun. 308 is enough. Thousands of years ago people hunted and killed everything with sticks tied together with their butt hairs, and there's still a bow season on just about everything, so a bolt action with over 2500 ftlbs is lots. A bic is not a good choice, even if somebody killed a rhino with a spork. Use a bag of apples and a baseball bat. It can be hard to chose from a thousand different cartridges, but you'll just have to chose, and you can't go wrong with a 308. About the most practical cartridge going on this continent. Buy one now. Shoot it today.
- Location
- Where the sun shines
I think I would pay good money to see someone try that on a rhino. It would be the extreme version of bull fighting.
I have been bowhunting for close to forty years and have taken six different species of big game animals... including over thirty black bears (some over bait, most stalking food sources)... but you can't really make an energy comparison between centerfire cartridges and arrows... this would be an apple vs oranges comaprison at best... arrows (propelled by bows) kill best due to their momentum (mass X velocity) with the goal of causing the least shock possible... meaning cleanly slicing through as much vital tissue and arteries as possible, causing massive, devastating hemmorage and rapid death... bullets on the other hand are designed to expand rapidly, causing massive shock to tissue due to their energy (mass X velocity X velocity) and yes, bleeding will rsult, but it is the devastating shock and pulverized tissue that (hopefully) puts them down immediately... archery shot animals do not drop when struck (unless you missed and hit the spine or brain pan) but quickly "hemmorage-out."
In a straight energy comparison modern bowhunting equipment will generate in the neighborhood of 80 ft/lb (most would be closer to 60 ft/lb)... or roughly equivalent to a .22 LR... but don't be fooled to believe that an arrows ability to inflict lethal damage is "equivalent" to a .22 LR... An average .308 load on the other hand generates approximately 2800 ft/lb's of energy or 35 TIMES the energy of the modern hunting bow... so would this mean that it is 35 times as lethal as archery eqipment...? Certainly not (unless you are dueling at 300 yards
)... because they kill by applying force in an entirely different manner... when you look at momentum you will see a differnt picture entirely... the bow will have 135,000 gr/fps and the .308 will have 420,000 gr/fps... so now you see that the .308 only has 3 times the momentum of the arrow... but that does not tell the whole story either; Where the arrow is designed so that it will NOT shed its energy easily (slicing on a long wound path) the bullet is designed so that it WILL shed its energy (expanding/pulverizing on a shorter wound path)... hopefully this demonstrates the different "lethalities" of these two DIFFERENT weapons... this is not clearly understood by some of us old-schoolers when it comes to bowhunting. Your .308 with 2800 ft/lbs of energy is most certainly a potent bear hunting weapon.
My bow with its 80 ft/lbs of energy is also a potent bear hunting weapon.
I have been bowhunting for close to forty years and have taken six different species of big game animals... including over thirty black bears (some over bait, most stalking food sources)... but you can't really make an energy comparison between centerfire cartridges and arrows... this would be an apple vs oranges comaprison at best... arrows (propelled by bows) kill best due to their momentum (mass X velocity) with the goal of causing the least shock possible... meaning cleanly slicing through as much vital tissue and arteries as possible, causing massive, devastating hemmorage and rapid death... bullets on the other hand are designed to expand rapidly, causing massive shock to tissue due to their energy (mass X velocity X velocity) and yes, bleeding will rsult, but it is the devastating shock and pulverized tissue that (hopefully) puts them down immediately... archery shot animals do not drop when struck (unless you missed and hit the spine or brain pan) but quickly "hemmorage-out."
In a straight energy comparison modern bowhunting equipment will generate in the neighborhood of 80 ft/lb (most would be closer to 60 ft/lb)... or roughly equivalent to a .22 LR... but don't be fooled to believe that an arrows ability to inflict lethal damage is "equivalent" to a .22 LR... An average .308 load on the other hand generates approximately 2800 ft/lb's of energy or 35 TIMES the energy of the modern hunting bow... so would this mean that it is 35 times as lethal as archery eqipment...? Certainly not (unless you are dueling at 300 yards
Your .308 with 2800 ft/lbs of energy is most certainly a potent bear hunting weapon.
My bow with its 80 ft/lbs of energy is also a potent bear hunting weapon.
Well put and I hope that people in this thread listen to what you wrote
