.308 hmmm,

At what range would you take a moose with a .308 you are competent with

  • 100 yrds and less

    Votes: 40 5.1%

  • 200 yrds and less

    Votes: 222 28.1%

  • 300 yrds and less

    Votes: 315 39.9%

  • 400 yrds and less

    Votes: 213 27.0%
  • Total voters
    790
good ethics out weigh your ability
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Good ethics should go hand in had with your ability. My ability dictates my ethics....not the other way around.

I can't answer your question I am not the moose.
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If you had any knowledge of ballistics, energy, penetration, long-range shooting and what it actually takes to kill an animal you could answer the question. Anthropromorphizing the moose isn't the answer.

I feel you got into this discussion and soon found yourself in way over your head and just weren't gracious enough to back out. There's no shame in not having moose hunting or long range hunting experience or knowledge but there is shame is chastizing those of us who do it very ethically and well within our self-imposed limits.
 
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Some have talked of 400 yards as being long range, and others have talked of 800 yard shots at game as long range.

The definition of long range is different depending on the circumstance, cartridge, weather and shooter. This should be kept in perspective and qualified in this discussion.
 
sheephunter said:
Because some of us enjoy shooting at those ranges....because sometimes you can't get closer....because some of us pratice enough and understand conditions enough to know when there is not risk of a lesser hit. How about a really simple question....have you ever even hunted moose? Your opinion of them being these moronic animals that you can poke in the eye with a stick certainly hasn't been my general experience.....
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I can't not reply to this. I have only hunted moose 3-4 times the first one
I ever saw stood 50 feet away as I drove by in a 12' boat, was a cow all I had was a bull tag. It stood there stareing at me while I tried to turn the boat around with the motor running while my fool brother tried to get his gun out of its case.

If that were a whitetail it would have snorted and been gone.

I hope you aren't saying that they are so cagey that a person couldn't get closer than 400yrds to one?

CDN1 OUT OUT OUT!!!!
 
I hope you aren't saying that they are so cagey that a person couldn't get closer than 400yrds to one?
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I've never said that....I've said many times that I choose to shoot at that range sometimes...not because I have to but because I want to and can....if that makes me less of a hunter in your eyes, I can live with it......
 
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sheephunter said:
I've never said that....I've said many times that I choose to shoot at that range sometimes...not because I have to but because I want to and can....if that makes me less of a hunter in your eyes, I can live with it......
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SH you are no less of a hunter than I should be to you for not feeling the same way as you about a long range shot on a game animal. If you have the ability and its legal I guess it's your own choice.
CDN1
 
cdn1canhunt said:
SH you are no less of a hunter than I should be to you for not feeling the same way as you about a long range shot on a game animal. If you have the ability and its legal I guess it's your own choice.
CDN1
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:) Good stuff

If you read some of the arguements I've been in here, from slug guns and 45/70's, to 600 yrd shots to Trophy hunting, to African Safari ....

I have strong morals, they are mine. We all do. But as long as what a hunter chooses to do is ethical, my morals or my oppinions are nothing more than that, mine.

Good on you for realizing this so early. It took me over 1500 posts before I realized that not everyone needs to see things as I do...
 
cdn1canhunt said:
SH you are no less of a hunter than I should be to you for not feeling the same way as you about a long range shot on a game animal. If you have the ability and its legal I guess it's your own choice.
CDN1
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Well that's good to hear that you think that after all this, as we started out with you telling me to become a real hunter. I guess it was all worthwhile. Just for the record, I never commented on what type of hunter you were for not wanting to take long-range shots. I think people should get what the want out of hunting and as long as it's done ethically, far be it for me to comment. Possibly a lesson to be learned there for you.....
 
SH I have been hunting for a good while anyone that hunts and stays in their comfort zone re: range, caliber choice and the law, enjoys the sunrise or a sunset as much as the harvest wether at 4yrds or 400 is a real hunter in my book.

OH MY GOD I think I have learned or conceded defeat not sure which LOL!

CDN 1 OUT!
 
There is no defeat...

Oppinions, changing oppinions, reaffirming of oppinions, learning lots, learning nothing, making claims, backpeddaling, etc etc etc

It all comes with the forum...

at the end of the day you ended up a little more accepting of a hunting style that is not similar to your own, ... that puts you in good company and separates you from many.
:)
 
Gatehouse said:
I understand that, but I do have to wonder where the theory comes from? There are bullets to achieve virtually any type of performance we want out there.

Unless we think that a 170gr bullet launched form a 30-30 will not kill a moose at 100 yards- Because the .308 with 165gr bulet at 400 yards is about a 30-30 at 100 yards.
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30/30 bullets are designed to work at 30/30 velocities and the assumption that the 308W at 400 yards will behave like a 30/30 may be correct, but choose the wrong bullet and your reward could be a moose with a pencil sized hole in its vitals.

Selecting a bullet that performs beyond 400 yards (at 308W velocities) requires careful thought as most .308 bullets are designed to stay together at 300 Winchester (point blank) impact velocities.
The guy using a 308 a 400+ yards needs to be sure the bullet he selects are soft enough to expand at 1800-1900fps. Selecting just any old .308 spitzer is not good enough.

Not saying it can't be done, but the wrong bullet will quite likely produce a dead animal with no blood trail for the hunter to follow.

Go to Long Range Hunting (400yds is a chip shot over there) and ask the same question....I'm willing to bet you get the same answer.
 
Where do I go to see these long range hunters? Not gopher hunters but these guys getting moose. I have yet to encounter one in the field. Well that could actually hit something. So far I have only seen them on youtube.
 
klaus enuff said:
Where do I go to see these long range hunters? Not gopher hunters but these guys getting moose. I have yet to encounter one in the field. Well that could actually hit something. So far I have only seen them on youtube.
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Alberta would be a good start....
 
X-fan said:
30/30 bullets are designed to work at 30/30 velocities and the assumption that the 308W at 400 yards will behave like a 30/30 may be correct, but choose the wrong bullet and your reward could be a moose with a pencil sized hole in its vitals.

Selecting a bullet that performs beyond 400 yards (at 308W velocities) requires careful thought as most .308 bullets are designed to stay together at 300 Winchester (point blank) impact velocities.
The guy using a 308 a 400+ yards needs to be sure the bullet he selects are soft enough to expand at 1800-1900fps. Selecting just any old .308 spitzer is not good enough.

Not saying it can't be done, but the wrong bullet will quite likely produce a dead animal with no blood trail for the hunter to follow.

Go to Long Range Hunting (400yds is a chip shot over there) and ask the same question....I'm willing to bet you get the same answer.
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I think the people here that are shooting at those ranges know enough abput bullet construction and handloading to not mistake a 30/30 velocity type bullet for some a bit sleeker, and designed to expand "out there"
FWIW, some of us have been hanging at long range hunting for quite some time ( as well as some other sites).
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
Northern Alberta , either east or west might narrow it down as well!
Cat
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I could point him in the right direction pretty well anywhere in the province. Lots of knowledgeable hunters that shoot long ranges seriously north to south and east to west.
 
I chose the 400 pick...Mostly it would never come to that and that is fine and well. I won't step back just to prove a point. I have however taken a moose at near 400 with a 308 and it was a pretty simple affair...shot with regular cup and core bullet and factory ammo the bullet rested neatly against the hide on the off side. Moose was dead on his feet just needed a minute to find out...vitals of a moose is pretty big compared to a deer and it is my opinion that 400 yards is a lot more reasonable on a moose with a 308 than a whitetail deer.
 
catnthehatt said:
I think the people here that are shooting at those ranges know enough abput bullet construction and handloading to not mistake a 30/30 velocity type bullet for some a bit sleeker, and designed to expand "out there"
FWIW, some of us have been hanging at long range hunting for quite some time ( as well as some other sites).
Cat
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Not questioning the abilities or understanding of those who are dedicated LR hunters, but as you well understand this is not necessarily a straight forward sport. It becomes less so as we reach the outer reaches of a cartridge (or in this case bullet).

My point is that as bullet velocity drops below 1800 fps bullet selection becomes critical...Something clearly not understood by some on this post. On the other hand, some here have suggested that they could grab any bullet and get the job done...This is likely not true.

I would like to see more help given to shooters around here wishing to venture in to the deep end of LR hunting.
Our biggest problem (as I see it) is that there is a significant population here that do not want anything to do with nor do they respect long range hunting.

Until something changes we will continue to have 100-200yd hunters advising others on the ins and outs of long range hunting....This must be very confusing to those around here that are on the steep end of the learning curve.

Perhaps we need a LR hunting forum?
 
A long range forum might be good , yes!
however, no matter how you slice it, there are going to be detractors in anything we do as a sport, be it shotgun, rifle , or bloody darts!!:rolleyes:

You get the crowd that does not like long range rifles,compounds , inlines, lever guns or even those that think that the patched round ball is no good, let alone the "monolithic bullet crowd"!:D
It is very discouraging for me sometimes, for those of us that cannot be slotted, to listen to those that think their way is the only right way!
However, that is what makes us unique, and it would be a very sad World if we all thought the same, hunted with the same gear, drove the same truck, or all women had red hair!!:D
Speaking of women, i gotta go - past my bedtime!!:)
talk at ya later.....
Cat
 
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