.308 or 30.06 ?

Go somewhere that has a variety of rifles and see how they fit you presonally. I'd look hard at the Tikka T3s. I got a savage instead and it shoots and handles great with a great trigger, but I cant stop thinking about the tikka because it was lighter and had a great trigger too. The savage is too nice to warrent going to the tikka now... unless I get a t3 plastic stock for a hunter/beater...
As for recoil at the range just get a shoulder pad or shooting base to absorb recoil if you plan to do a lot (like me). I'd go for the pad to get real world shooting pracyice...
 
308 or 30.06

I have had both calibers over the years and I perfur to shoot the 308 as I find the recoil is less . a frind who lives in BC around Prince George uses a 30.06 and has shot from what I remember 13 moose with the 30.06 over the years and it has only taken him one shot to drop them . he does;nt reload so when it;s hunting time he'll purchace 180 grain nosler partition ammo in the best brand he can get his hands on . I'm assuming he could have done the same thing with a 308 but his choice was a 30.06 . as the others said try both calibers to see how recoil affects you . I myself would stick with a bolt action rifle instead of a lever action in those calibers . I have a Ruger in 270 stainless and I really like it . the plus side of the Ruger is it comes with factory rings made for the rifle . good luck in your choice and happy hunting .
 
308 or 30-06

i have a 308 and love it. my dad has a 30-06 and we both love it. recoil feels the same to me. the 30-06 is better with heavy bullets. if your shooting 150 grainers then i don't think it matters. there is more gun selection for 30-06. most guns for 308 are target style. both are great. if i was shopping now i'd go with 30-06:agree:
 
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I have found with my limited experience with bolt actions that short action rounds produce less felt recoil with very little drop in performance, and in my opinion greater powder efficiency. A friend I used to hunt with that has since moved away thought the .270 Win as the be all end all. Gives me hell for buying a 7mm-08. Even though they have slight difference in groove diameter, they use similar weight bullets. His Tikka T3 w/ 24" pipe sent 140 grain bullets over the chrono at 3100 to 3200 fps. My Ruger Frontier sends a 140 grainer out the front door at 2900 to 2950 fps with a 16.5" barrel. That rifle, as well as everything else chambered in .270 Win seems to want to pound me into next week, whereas the 7mm-08 I can shoot all day. Not the same thing, but similar I think.

Take it or leave it, I'm a big bore black powder guy anyway.
 
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I have found with my limited experience with bolt actions that short action rounds produce less felt recoil with very little drop in performance, and in my opinion greater powder efficiency. A friend I used to hunt with that has since moved away thought the .270 Win as the be all end all. Gives me hell for buying a 7mm-08. Even though they have slight difference in groove diameter, they use similar weight bullets. His Tikka T3 w/ 24" pipe sent 140 grain bullets over the chrono at 3100 to 3200 fps. My Ruger Frontier sends a 140 grainer out the front door at 2900 to 2950 fps with a 16.5" barrel. That rifle, as well as everything else chambered in .270 Win seems to want to pound me into next week, whereas the 7mm-08 I can shoot all day. Not the same thing, but similar I think.

Take it or leave it, I'm a big bore black powder guy anyway.

Sir, you said to take it or leave it. Thus, I don't take it, in short, I don't believe your figures.
Out of all the listings for 7-08 on th Hodgdon site, with 140 grain bullets, they show one loading that achieves a velocity of 2847 fps. Most of the others are well below that. Hodgdon's listings were likely based on a 24 inch barrel. On the usual standard of losing 25 ft. per inch, your 16.5 inch barrel would make that load in the area of 2670 fps.
No possible way are you getting 2900 to 2950 out of that, as you state.
I will be as polite as I know how, it is BS.
 
It depends on what you're hunting, and how you're hunting. If you mainly plan to hunt deer at moderate distances, then the 308 would be the better choice, mostly because of the lower recoil. If you plan to hunt bigger animals like elk or moose, then you'll want larger bullets, and the 30-06 would do better for you. If you plan to do both deer and larger critters, then the 30-06 is the better choice, just for when you go after the bigger game.
The military didn't change from 30-06 to 308 because the 308 is a superior cartridge for everything under then sun. They changed for they're specific purposes. Less recoil, more ammo carried for less weight, and it kills humans [which are pretty small] just fine for the ranges encoutered in battle most of the time. Also there was something to do with the advent of fully automatic actions, and keeping ammo consistent throughout, I think. Just because the military changed to 308 does not mean that it is a better HUNTING cartridge. Two totally different scenarios and different crtieria in what you want your round to do.
The difference in the real hunting world between the two is approx. 100-150 fps in factory ammo with the same weight bullet. When you reload you can spread that difference to over 200 fps. That difference in velocity will extend the MPBR of the 30-06 by 30 to 50 yards beyond the MPBR of the 308. That means if I judge the deer to be at 300 yards and its really at 330 yards, with the 30-06 I'd still have a kill, but with the 308 I'd miss.
But if the deer is at 200 yards, then both will kill just fine.
The 308 has less recoil and can go in a short action. It can kill deer, elk, moose, or whatever. The 30-06 has more recoil. You can get it in very light guns, but then the recoil is even greater. Personally, I don't mind the recoil of a 30-06 in a light gun, but I'd certainly understand if someone didnt like it, and developed a flinch. The 30-06 will also kill deer, moose, elk or whatever, but can do the larger with more aplomb because it will shoot the heavier bullets faster, and with the lighter bullets it will extend the ranges as well.
My own opinion is that if you want a short action hunting round for deer, the 7-08 is the best choice. If you want a round dedicated for elk or moose, the magnums [30 cal or 338] is best. If you want an all around, do everything cartridge, the 30-06 is king. If you want a long distance target round 6.5-284 is the way to go.
 
.308 Win vs .30-06 Spring....

Got rifles in both. Love 'em both. But if it was a "one rifle" deal and it was either/or I'd choose the .30-06.... Reasoning has been pretty much covered off elsewhere in this thread.

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For the differance of around 100fps with factory ammo I choose the 308, it has less recoil for one and is built with a shorter action. A 308 will do what ever the 06 will but with less size and weight.
 
Both are good cartridges!! I have seen many many moose fall to the 308 and 30-06 and didn't see any difference in the too when it came to putting down a moose!!! So the question is do you want a short action or long action other than that i wouldn't say there is enough difference to pick one over the other!
 
It depends what rifle you choose. Try it in a short and long action, buy what handles nicer. 308 kicks less, I have both. If you want a lightweight rifle, the 308 is more comfortable to shoot.
 
I love the .308 pushing 150 grain soft points. If you're new to shooting, you probably won't be hand loading for a while, and the factory 150's are available every where, are reasonably priced, and carry as much energy past 100 yards as the 180's and 200's (with far less kick.
 
i have both 308 and 30-06 id definatly preffer the 30-06 faster plus it's a pump so that makes it awsome but idk somethin bout the 308 just not my cup of tea i don't find the 30-06 to kick at all really but im say 30-06 just incase you feel like firing a 220grain ball down the line
 
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