Maybe suggest the .308 wearing a tuxedo.
He get's his 7mm bullet AND a .308 casing, how can you go wrong?
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But that's ok, I'm in!
My 7-08 and .300WM are going to hunt camp with me this Sunday woohoo!
308 or 7mm rem mag for moose
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Uh-oh!
Here comes another 7mm-08 thread!
But that's ok, I'm in!
My 7-08 and .300WM are going to hunt camp with me this Sunday woohoo!
Alex, I can't tell you how many moose I have, or know to have been, shot at 300 yd or more with a 270.
Ted
I have owned three magnums, 7mm, 300, 325. I like the 325 the most of those three.. Yes I thought I needed these for moose, and mastered hitting stuff out to 500 yds with each gun.
Where I hunt, my moose shots have all, I mean ALL of them have been under 100yds. So my next moose gun will be a 308 shooting 168ttsx - easily enough gun to 300yds if you know how to shoot.
Actually two days ago I had a huge bull walk past at 50yds and I wondered why I didnt just go 12guage slug...woulda saved me close to 5k!!!!!!
but yes, next one will be a 308 or I may load my 300 down to 308 recoil.
my $00.02 based on real world experience!
Where I hunt, my moose shots have all, I mean ALL of them have been under 100yds. So my next moose gun will be a 308 shooting 168ttsx - easily enough gun to 300yds if you know how to shoot.
Actually two days ago I had a huge bull walk past at 50yds and I wondered why I didnt just go 12guage slug...woulda saved me close to 5k!!!!!!
but yes, next one will be a 308 or I may load my 300 down to 308 recoil.
my $00.02 based on real world experience!
Chrismc:
Yes, a .308win is all you need with you PRESENT hunting conditions.
The big magnums do have thier place though.
My "Real world" experience would lead me to buy/use a .308 like you say. But I would not down load a magnum rifle to .308 levels. Too many problems with accuracy and consistancy. A magnum is a magnum, and it should be loaded as such (typically).
You know 'Murphy?'. Murphies law?
It will be the day that you carry that slug gun, and you will see the bull of a lifetime standing there at 350yards! And you wont be able to get closer.Lol!
But seriuosly, it sounds like you want to increase the challenge a little. It keeps the hunting thing fun after doing it many times.
I have done the magnum thing, and went back to .308ish standard sized cartridges.
Even did the muzzeloading,compound,long bow,recurve thing.
As long as its fun, just do it.
Having more than enough gun is never wasted as long as a guy can handle it.
Yes, a .308win is all you need with you PRESENT hunting conditions.
The big magnums do have thier place though.
My "Real world" experience would lead me to buy/use a .308 like you say. But I would not down load a magnum rifle to .308 levels. Too many problems with accuracy and consistancy. A magnum is a magnum, and it should be loaded as such (typically).
You know 'Murphy?'. Murphies law?
It will be the day that you carry that slug gun, and you will see the bull of a lifetime standing there at 350yards! And you wont be able to get closer.Lol!
But seriuosly, it sounds like you want to increase the challenge a little. It keeps the hunting thing fun after doing it many times.
I have done the magnum thing, and went back to .308ish standard sized cartridges.
Even did the muzzeloading,compound,long bow,recurve thing.
As long as its fun, just do it.
Having more than enough gun is never wasted as long as a guy can handle it.
Rocket Surgery
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I think it's time to look at some ballistics:
Winchester 2009 cartridge guide says:
Super-X 308 Win 180g PP
Velocity:
Muzzle 2620
100y 2392
200y 2178
300y 1974
Trajectory (Sighted at 200y)
100y: +2.3
200y: +/-0.0
300y: -9.7
Super-X 7mm Rem Mag 175g PP
Velocity:
Muzzle 2860
100y 2644
200y 2439
300y 2243
Trajectory (200y sight in)
100y: +1.7
200y: +/-0
300y: -7.6
Conclusion? 7mm seems better. It'll probably be a longer, heavier gun and have far more kick for the gain. It's inefficient when compared to 308, but it makes a loud boom, which should probably count for something.
I'd stick with the 308 myself and save the money. If you're itching to get another gun, go buy something, just accept that you're buying something because guns are awesome not because you need it. I learned that about $15,000.00 ago.
EDIT: This post made me late for work lol
Alex, I can't tell you how many moose I have, or know to have been, shot at 300 yd or more with a 270.
Ted
Alex, I would say the you need to stop parroting the one man in your small sphere hunting club that has moose hunting experience. I am glad you have moose in Quebec, and that there is an opportunity to hunt them, but I can pull from at least two dozen people's experience that woul amount to hundreds of moose, and they all shoot nothing larger than a 30-06 most shoot 30-30's, .308's and .270's. They have all killed mosse very well from nose to nose to nearly 500yds with said rifles, and they never ever felt user gunned. One was a 200yd kill with a 30-30 and 170gr Federal blue boxes. One shot, one very dead moose.
Listen to folks like Why not, who probably have a few hundred dead moose in his sphere in an area where the moose out weigh the eastern variety by 400lbs.
Rocket Surgery
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
You know a guy who killed a +/-500y moose with a 30-30?
Did he play a lot of 'find the notch with the rear sight' as a young man? Or is this one of those new scoped lever guns that shoot the pointy bullets?
170g 30-30 round has like 80 inches of drop at 400y, and I can't even find what it does at 500y. I'd go by personal experience but like, who practices 500 yard shots with a 30-30? Wouldn't you just try getting closer? The bullet's going less than 1k feet per second at that range and has 400ft/lb of energy.
Did he play a lot of 'find the notch with the rear sight' as a young man? Or is this one of those new scoped lever guns that shoot the pointy bullets?
170g 30-30 round has like 80 inches of drop at 400y, and I can't even find what it does at 500y. I'd go by personal experience but like, who practices 500 yard shots with a 30-30? Wouldn't you just try getting closer? The bullet's going less than 1k feet per second at that range and has 400ft/lb of energy.
Rocket Surgery:
Rem338win was using a variety of calibers as an example. "some" have shot moose at
500 yards.
The .308,3006,270 are very capable of doing so. Even if its pushing it a little.
The little 30-30 has done some long shots over the years, but I would not say that it is practical to shoot at moose sized animals much past 250ish.
Guys, lets not get all excited because someone doesnt aggree with the use of certain calibers in certain ways.
Everyone who fires a shot is responsible for the outcome. As long as they are mature enough to deal with the consequensis, that is good enough for me.
The more skilled the shooter, the more they can do with a given cartridge. Simple as that.
The thing that annoys me is people who "THINK" they are capable of difficult shots and repeatably mess things up. These are the people who give credibility to the "Gun/hunting"haters.
One more thing, an opinion is credable, only, if its based on honest experience, not on "opinion" alone.
Rem338win was using a variety of calibers as an example. "some" have shot moose at
500 yards.
The .308,3006,270 are very capable of doing so. Even if its pushing it a little.
The little 30-30 has done some long shots over the years, but I would not say that it is practical to shoot at moose sized animals much past 250ish.
Guys, lets not get all excited because someone doesnt aggree with the use of certain calibers in certain ways.
Everyone who fires a shot is responsible for the outcome. As long as they are mature enough to deal with the consequensis, that is good enough for me.
The more skilled the shooter, the more they can do with a given cartridge. Simple as that.
The thing that annoys me is people who "THINK" they are capable of difficult shots and repeatably mess things up. These are the people who give credibility to the "Gun/hunting"haters.
One more thing, an opinion is credable, only, if its based on honest experience, not on "opinion" alone.
Rocket Surgery
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Sorry this is how I read it.
longbranch*
CGN frequent flyer
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Both are fine, but given the choice I'd go with the 7m/m mag with 160gr. bullet. I wouldnt feel under-gunned with the .308 however.
Geoff
Geoff
Settle down friend, that was all a broad statement. Why Not stated it correctly.
Ballistics is what you want, then here:
30-30 with a 170 gr bullet with a BC of .180 at a MV of 2250fps:
The rifle was sighted in at 100yds and at that point impact would be at 1800fps.
The 200yds shot would be held roughly 11 inches high or a foot at that range with an impact speed of 1425fps. I know for a fact that this will make it through the lungs of a moose to the far side hide.
.308 with a 165 gr bullet with a BC of .400 and an MV of 2750fps has the same impact speed at roughly 440yds as the 30-30 at 100yds.
If the 30-30 killed the moose at 200 yds, the .308 has the same impact at 660yds.
The 30-06 is a little better and the .270 is roughly the same. With logic applied that makes the 6.5x55 through 30-06 spectrum realistic 400yd moose rifles with ease, and anything above this is gravy.
I would gladly hunt my moose this year with a handy Kimber 84 in .308 with a 150gr-165gr TTSX, TSX, Partition, Interlock, Interbond, Accubond, GMX, Grandslam, Deepcurl, Scirocco, etc, etc. And I wouldn't hesitate to take a 400yd broadside shot either (unless we where beside some 'skeg or a body of water
).My .270 will have to do though.....
Oh my. You didn't. I'll go slower here, others understood by it is hump day
I originally posted that the sphere of moose hunting influence around me uses 30-30 to .270 mostly. And a very short out to very long range. That meant that as an accumulation of all their experience they had shot near and far with a variety of what some are calling sub-par moose calibers, and successfully.
I then posted that the fellow particularly attached to his 30-30 has taken moose out to 200yds, one of which I witnessed at that range.
And given that you had started to post ballistics, inthough it would be fun to apply that experience to the current topic in an applicable manner. The context of the post was not in opposition to you.
In short, now it isn't about you. All good. Go practice rocket surgery. Inheard it is hard.
