308 versus 300 Win Mag

I think the availability of being able to "reach out and touch" something at 500 yards is all fine and dandy, but realistically you can creep up pretty close to an animal from that distance.

Ahh, they're all very good rounds, it just boils down to preference and application.

Go to the Remington site and check out their ballistics charts as well.
 
FWIW, I have found the kick between a 338 and a 300 very similar. If you found a 338wm uncomfortable I would recommend shooting a 300wm if possible to see if it works for you before making a decision.
 
I don't know what is wrong with hunting with a hvy bbl rifle. I used one this hunting season and shot 2 deer with mine. One was at 200m and one at 40m (both were lased), it isn't overly pleasant to carry a hvy bbl rifle but it isn't too bad either - I am used to carrying way more weight at work. BTW I like using my hvy bbl because I am confident in shooting a deer up to 400 m with it. I have a nice M2 Leup Mk4 on top and dialing in range works fantastic.
 
I see no real disadvantage of heavy guns in many situations. A few extra ounces is certainly no big deal for hunting farm country and here in BC, the majority of hunters (especially for the larger species) are road hunting anyway with only the occasional short jaunt on foot.
 
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???? Holy self contradiction batman.

Lets see....if I substitute a few words in your own post, you'll see where the RUM's shine:



I can push 220's out of my ultra faster than you can push 200's out of your win mag. This tells me that there is a real advantage to the ultra "under 1000 yards"...and for the exact same reasons you say the WM has an advantage over .308. And yes, as far as the "killing power" you mentioned, a 220 gr. pill out of my ultra at over 3000 FPS has plenty of "killing power" ;)
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Wrongway,

As Kef's rifle is intended for long range hunting I thought I would stick to "hunting" bullets. To my knowledge the best 30 cal bullets currently available for long range hunting (where moose are concerned) are the 200 grain Barnes X, Nosler Partition, and Nosler Accubond with the Accubond getting the nod as the best long range performer.



Though the 308 can push a 200gr to a bit over 2400 fps it is obviously a bit over burdened at this weight and should be considered a poor choice for this application. Like I said before the 300 Win just makes the 200's usable.

If you loaded the 300 Ultra with a 220 grain bullet to obtain its theroretical advantage what bullet would you use....an SMK? Ballistically superior...... Sure! But not much of a short range moose bullet is it?

If someone made a good arodynamic 220 grain hunting bullet the Ultra might have a case, but as it is the extra 100-150 fps bullet to bullet velocity the Ultra offers is of little to no advantage in the hunting field.

Please explain as how you think this is a contradiction.
 
Guy's, I've been reading everything you're posting for me. The info I've been getting has been most helpfull. What I'm reading and what I'm thinking boils down to this:

308 is easier shooting and probably less expensive. Its proven in the AICS systems and functions perfectly which is what I want. I also want it to reach out 500 yards and properly harvest a moose, but the 308 doesn't appear to have enough velocity to do that right. It can reach up to a grand for paper punching which I want but I need big distance kills.

The 300WM can deliver a bigger punch on thick skinned game at big distances. Its a bigger kick but its worth it to me for humane kills at big distances. It costs more to shoot it but maybe its time to start reloading and have some more fun. I'm concerned that the Sendero in 300WM won't function as smooth in an AICS system. I'm looking for anyone who has a Remington heavy in 300WM put into an AICS. I wanted a mag that protrudes past the stock for easy handling like the 308 ten rounder. I'm told the long action is single stack 5 rounder that does protrude longer.

I'm about to shell out $2500.00 on rifle and stock system before scope and I've almost got it put together for what I'm doing.

Is it the Rem 700 heavy fluted in a green AICS or is it the Sendero stainless 300WM in a black AICS? I'm leaning towards the 300 set up. Recoil isn't a big issue. I'm looking at an HS50....believe it or not for hunting and target. I want my guns to do both range time and field time.
 
"...500 yard shots on..." Any game with any rifle is risky. Too far for most shooters. If you even see a moose at that distance.
"...for an AICS stock..." Do you have the stock now? If so, you don't have much choice for the action. You'll have to buy whatever action length that will fit on the stock.
And have you ever fired a .300 Mag?
Ever shot targets with any rifle at 500 yards? The kill zone on Bullwinkle isn't very big at 500 yards. Can you hit a 9" pie plate, every time at 500 yards? If you haven't or can't, don't ever take a 500 yard shot.
 
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you cant have 10 rounds in your clip anyhow. Even if you could, do you really need 10 rounds to make a kill ? hehe, whatever happened to 1 shot, 1 kill.

hordnay makes the 208gr 30cal now. I havent tried them out yet.
 
I really wouldn't be worried about recoil either if you are going to have a heavy barrel. As long as AICS has a decent recoil pad. My Remington 700 CDL .300 is a dream to shoot with the limbsaver. I could easily shoot 2 boxes at the range with no marks on my shoulder.
 
I might be wrong, but its my understanding that 5 rounds for semi-auto and 10 for pump or bolt guns. Its not the round count I want but the easier mag handling with a longer mag.
 
While I've got this request for help from our firearms community, who out there can tell me where I might be able to get a muzzle brake for a Sendero heavy barrel. I want it built like the Armalite AR-30 partition style muzzle brake as seen on the HS50. Any ideas on who I can e-mail for that?
 
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