308 vs 30-06

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These threads are always entertaining. I have chronied factory .30-06 180 grainers at just a hair over 2700 fps in some instances. I don't think a .308 will come close to that with 180 grain bullets. I think that is where the -06 earns its keep - with heavy bullets.
 
Pines said:
The 30-06 is very often the recommended choice for all north America big game hunting applications . The most common bullet weight used is the 150 , 165 and 180 .

With this bullet range what does the 30-06 bring to the party that a 308 win doesn't ? Thinking of the new bullet designs , the average extra 100 fps from the 30-06 really doesn't mean anything . So is it fair to say the 308 is on par with anything the 30-06 can do ?
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Smells like troll.
 
Winchester lists factory loads at 2610 for 180s- it may have changed over the years, but that's the figure I remember- 45 grains of ww748- I've built 180's to 2600, using a ladder and documented chrony.
 
Focusing on the original question and comparing the two cartridges specified, it would be interesting to see what sorts of ballistic differences there are between the two using good recipes and handloading (removing the restriction to factory ammo). I do not claim to be an expert by any means, but certainly not a "noob" to shooting. My wife has a new .308 and I have a .30-06. We're hoping to go hunting together this fall, and neither of us is worried about being undergunned even if we manage to get the elusive moose draw. I'm working on a couple loads for each, and focusing more on consistency and less on maximum speed. One load for each will be with 180's, in Nosler Partition. The Chrony will be part of next month's "fun budget" so I don't have velocity numbers, but if I can get some consistent and crunchable data I'll report back. Both rifles are bolt action (Ruger Hawkeye and Browning BBR) so hopefully action can be removed from the equation.

And, while I respect the opinions of others to hunt with either larger case capacity or projectile diameter cartridges, I find the .30-06 works fine for me. I grew up using my Dad's old .30-06. Am I afraid of using a larger rifle? No. Do I really need a bigger rifle to hunt anywhere in Western Canada, South of Dawson City? Not really. Neither does my wife, and she has used my .30-06 and doesn't mind it. Kind of thinking of a .338 target rifle, but that's a whole different kettle of fish . . . if the Chief Financial Officer (the better half) gives the green light later this year :p
 
KDX said:
Smells like troll.
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with a snout like that I don't doubt your smelling ability ...I am not a troll and am very interested in the opinions and views on this thread ..no offence intended...

I have seen many 30-06 rifles shooting way below factory spec...I feel bad for you if I let the air out , if you own one ....bottom line is the 308 is not a second ..
 
Pines said:
with a snout like that I don't doubt your smelling ability ...I am not a troll and am very interested in the opinions and views on this thread ..no offence intended...

I have seen many 30-06 rifles shooting way below factory spec...I feel bad for you if I let the air out , if you own one ....bottom line is the 308 is not a second ..
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You sound like a .308 owner trying to justify a purchase decision...

You don't have to do it at the expense of another cartridge... the .30/06 is a greater cartridge period. It has greater case capacity (.308 = 56 gr H2O/.30/06 = 69 gr H2O) and all else being equal will net 150-250 additional fps, more with the heavier for caliber bullets... it really doesn't matter what factory ammo is loaded to, there is no baseline for comparison, therefore it is "apples to oranges" conjecture.

I am a big .308 case fan and have the whole family in various platforms... but I appreciate the "ought six" for what it brings to the table.

When it comes to medium game, they do the same job, a double lung hit animal is just as dead with either and a gut shot means a long tracking job with either. However if I was heading into coastal grizzly country and want to carry a backup rifle, loaded with 220 Partitions, it would be the .30/06 every time.

If you are only shooting deer, flip a coin, for all it matters.
 
hoytcanon said:
You sound like a .308 owner trying to justify a purchase decision...

You don't have to do it at the expense of another cartridge... the .30/06 is a greater cartridge period. It has greater case capacity (.308 = 56 gr H2O/.30/06 = 69 gr H2O) and all else being equal will net 150-250 additional fps, more with the heavier for caliber bullets... it really doesn't matter what factory ammo is loaded to, there is no baseline for comparison, therefore it is "apples to oranges" conjecture.

I am a big .308 case fan and have the whole family in various platforms... but I appreciate the "ought six" for what it brings to the table.

When it comes to medium game, they do the same job, a double lung hit animal is just as dead with either and a gut shot means a long tracking job with either. However if I was heading into coastal grizzly country and want to carry a backup rifle, loaded with 220 Partitions, it would be the .30/06 every time.

If you are only shooting deer, flip a coin, for all it matters.
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not a chance ..sorry
the extra space is wasted ...
can't happen ...factory loads made the "odd" "ought " six famous ..stick to the facts ..it's a steer ..

I don't own a 308 and never , never will a 06
 
Pines said:
not a chance ..sorry
the extra space is wasted ...
can't happen ...factory loads made the "odd" "ought " six famous ..stick to the facts ..it's a steer ..

I don't own a 308 and never , never will a 06
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You make zero sense...

So... the 13 gr H2O additional capacity of the .30/06 results in zero, net gain in energy "all else being equal???"

Back to physics class for you...

What did you do to come to this conclusion, test Federal Blue Box 180 gr .30/06 ammo in an 18" barrelled semi, versus a Winchester 165 gr. load in a 24" barrelled bolt action???
 
Pines said:
with a snout like that I don't doubt your smelling ability ...I am not a troll and am very interested in the opinions and views on this thread ..no offence intended...

I have seen many 30-06 rifles shooting way below factory spec...I feel bad for you if I let the air out , if you own one ....bottom line is the 308 is not a second ..
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The syntax is similar to that of a previously banned member, but I can't put my finger on just who it was.
 
The Kurgan said:
Can we ban the following thread themes forever more?:

1. 308 vs. 30-06
2. 270 vs. 30-06
3. 280 vs. 30-06
4. 300 Win Mag vs. 30-06
5. 22LR and bear defense!

ps. just buy a 7x57 ... it'll do the job with less fuss and more class! :)
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Ahhh, what the h**l. ;)If you have the ways & the means, keep a bit of variety to pick and select from. It's like ice cream, you could make do with plain old vanilla but it's more fun to live a little and enjoy a few more,;) 'flavours'.
That, and in line with your 7x57 suggestion, a while back, I did pick up a 7x57, primarily for use next year on the giant Blacktail Deer here on the Island. Kind of like the full wood European Mannlicher look to go with that calibre so I opted for an inexpensive Zastava.



Very recently, I lucked out and broadened that 7x57 calibre choice, by getting a similar looking real little beauty.:d:d A Ruger Hawkeye M77 RSI, stainless & wood and in, 7x57.



If one is good, two has got to be really good.
 
KDX said:
The syntax is similar to that of a previously banned member, but I can't put my finger on just who it was.
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Reminds me of gtrussell...

Because of the myriad old rifles around so chambered, the 30-06 has always been loaded to a lower pressure than more modern rounds. Stoke it up to the same pressures as more modern chamberings, such as the 308, and it can really shine... and definitely out run the 308. Especially, as has already been noted by others, with heavier projectiles.

Not that there are any flies on the 308...
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Very recently, I lucked out and broadened that 7x57 calibre choice, by getting a similar looking real little beauty.:d:d A Ruger Hawkeye M77 RSI, stainless & wood and in, 7x57.



If one is good, two has got to be really good.
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Jeez, Johnn... that's a nice one...
 
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