308 vs6.5 creedmore

cosmic said:
It will be interesting to see if the 6.5 Creed stays in fashion over the next few years. Remember the 260 Rem, or the Lazzeroni (sp?), or the 30 TC? Compare this to the 308 or the 6.5 x 55.
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Pretty sure it will be, unless the 6.5PRC picks up steam to surpass it.

As it has been mentioned numerous times here and in other threads. It’s not the end all or be all, just a capable all round’er that checks off alot of boxes. Quick, flat shooting and minimal recoil are also pluses to new hunters or shooters. Quite capable of everything from Varmints, Sheep, Deer, Black Bear, Elk and Moose with proper ammo AND shot placement.

The fact that you can buy factory ammo and/or projectiles are more abundant then other Cals currently says that it is here to stay for awhile..

I may be bending towards jumping on the bandwagon.. but I’m liking the PRC version just a little better
 
The Creedmoors are great all-around calibers to target shoot or hunt. They are accurate and easy on the shoulder and pocketbook, great for newbs and seasoned shooters alike. That is why they are so popular.
Now if you want to get some hate, shoot a 6.8...
 
dan belisle said:
5 yrs? Try 70 plus. I've shot lots of 6.5's from the MS to the STW. The biggest thing about the cm is the wealth of better bullets that have showed up on the market in the last decade. Other than that, the cm is just a 260 light. Nothing wrong with it, but it isnt a miracle cartridge either. - dan
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? 260 slow twist little bullet hand loaders rebarrel cartridge to compete and then doesn't fit in standard mag lengths? not even in the same category to the general population, same with probably just about everything else you're going to bring up, the .260 is the 'light' of the two, stick to sammi and available to everyone for discussion purposes, 308 isn't a miracle, the 6.5 CM is simply the 21st century interpretation, which is a big deal, and everyone can play, to any distance, off the shelf, no handloaders or custom anything required...pretty miraculous if you think about it, out of the box off the shelf affordable light recoiling range or hunt to way further than anyone will shoot well awesomeness
 
ShrtRnd said:
Pretty sure it will be, unless the 6.5PRC picks up steam to surpass it.

As it has been mentioned numerous times here and in other threads. It’s not the end all or be all, just a capable all round’er that checks off alot of boxes. Quick, flat shooting and minimal recoil are also pluses to new hunters or shooters. Quite capable of everything from Varmints, Sheep, Deer, Black Bear, Elk and Moose with proper ammo AND shot placement.

The fact that you can buy factory ammo and/or projectiles are more abundant then other Cals currently says that it is here to stay for awhile..

I may be bending towards jumping on the bandwagon.. but I’m liking the PRC version just a little better
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just gotta put up with 17-18 ft/lbs recoil energy in 8.5 rifle so the thread is about the 20th century goldilocks vs the 21st century goldilocks 308/6.5 CM...the PRC doesn't fit this thread at all, totally different category
 
Pescado said:
"13.7% penetration advantage for the 6.5 CM over both the 30 cals given same impact velocity"

That CM is magical!!
13.7% over the 300 Win Mag!
The CM is a good cartridge but let's not get too carried away here.
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Yes, it's that good lol, you have to compare it to something like the 300 Win Mag in order to see why, 308 isn't enough to demonstrate the differences, Aaaand I quoted heavier bullets in the .30 cal options just so they didn't get too badly embarrassed, bring them 30 cal bullets closer in weight like 150-155's to the 6.5 140-147's and you'll see it's not even close to fair and the winner can be shot well by anyone and everything bought off the shelf affordably.
 
The Creedmoor is nothing fantastic or futuristic , if a person is using factory hunting ammo either will work just fine for what you term " the general population". The average hunter doesn't give a dang about SD, BC, or anything else, because within hunting distances with the proper bullet either will work well when the bullet is placed where it is supposed to go.
As far as hand loading and competition or custom hunting rifles go, most guys will choose the action appropriate to the cartridge, in th case of the National match course rifles , that is why the Creedmoor was designed.
For any other type of competition (in Canada especially) , such as F/O class or Any/Any sling shooting, most shooters prefer the 260 over the Creedmoor when it comes to going out to 1K.
Between all three for sling shooting for Any/Any competition , if I were gong to build another rifle , between the three ( 308,260, 6.5 Creedmoor) on an unbraked rifle I would probably go with the Creedmoor simply for the lesser recoil. It would make a difference when laying prone and shooting a 15 round string out of a 12 pound rifle.
however for DCRA TR, the only cartridges allowed are .308 or .223
Cat

Edit note: I have also hunted with all three cartridges in single shot rifles and saw no difference at all in the killing power between the three, all animals were down with one shot.
 
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cosmic said:
It will be interesting to see if the 6.5 Creed stays in fashion over the next few years. Remember the 260 Rem, or the Lazzeroni (sp?), or the 30 TC? Compare this to the 308 or the 6.5 x 55.
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6.5 Creed has been around for about 15? or so years now. Probably the most successful new cartridge introduced in the last few decades. I'm sure it will remain popular, especially with those that use factory ammo.
 
Gatehouse said:
6.5 Creed has been around for about 15? or so years now. Probably the most successful new cartridge introduced in the last few decades. I'm sure it will remain popular, especially with those that use factory ammo.
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I don't think the Creedmoor is going to disappear in the next 5 decades for sure. It will probably outlast many of the new ones
Cat
 
blakeyboy said:
the PRC doesn't fit this thread at all, totally different category
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Is it though? Inevitably it gets tossed or brought into the conversation, much like the 260Rem or 6.5 Swede arguments/comparisons for or against the Creedmore. It’s still in the 6.5mm category like the others, so why not include it?
 
blakeyboy said:
? 260 slow twist little bullet hand loaders rebarrel cartridge to compete and then doesn't fit in standard mag lengths? not even in the same category to the general population, same with probably just about everything else you're going to bring up, the .260 is the 'light' of the two, stick to sammi and available to everyone for discussion purposes, 308 isn't a miracle, the 6.5 CM is simply the 21st century interpretation, which is a big deal, and everyone can play, to any distance, off the shelf, no handloaders or custom anything required...pretty miraculous if you think about it, out of the box off the shelf affordable light recoiling range or hunt to way further than anyone will shoot well awesomeness
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Same pressures, 260 will out run the CM. As for the long bullets criteria, easy enough to work around. Keep pushing your cm, glad you're happy with it. New Rems are coming out with faster twists too. The fact that you think there is a huge difference in two cartridges that throw the same bullets at the same speeds is telling. - dan
 
Gatehouse said:
6.5 Creed has been around for about 15? or so years now. Probably the most successful new cartridge introduced in the last few decades. I'm sure it will remain popular, especially with those that use factory ammo.
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Yup, released 2008, and I really is the next gen 308, the amount of ammo sold for it over the next century will be hard to fathom. And agree it's not that special, but there isn't anything around that checks off more boxes on a list than this. From off the shelf, to in flight ballistic performance, to terminal ballistic performance related to big game hunting, to shoot-ability over broadest range of shooters. You can reload and go custom, or not, and still kill or be competitive right off the shelf. All it does is extract the most possible right now from a grain of powder burned, making it competitive in all areas with about 20 different cartridges we've all known about or used most our lives. If you value versatility, efficiency, affordability, and future proof longevity then it simply checks off more boxes than anything else going. Not saying y'all need to shoot it, we all have different desires and needs, but the dam manbun can get'r'dun all over the spectrum like nobody's bizniss. ;)
 
dan belisle said:
Same pressures, 260 will out run the CM. As for the long bullets criteria, easy enough to work around. Keep pushing your cm, glad you're happy with it. New Rems are coming out with faster twists too. The fact that you think there is a huge difference in two cartridges that throw the same bullets at the same speeds is telling. - dan
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I don't even shoot the manbun, I shoot even less hp, 6.5 Grendel...the manbun is too manly for me. ;)

And bruh...there's a crapload of people out there that don't reload, rebarrel, and have their own smith lol. There is a huge difference between them, one was designed around light bullets, slow twists, short necks...a 20th century formula, the other takes all that we learned since and applied it to the 21st understanding of not just ballistics in the air and terminally but the rifles, magazines etc. also. Solved all the problems of the 260 and makes it all off the shelf. Why hate that? It's called doing it right the first time. Who doesn't like that formula? You don't think we didn't learn a few things over 50 or so years? Well we did, and pretty bright dude put it into a next gen short action cartridge, we should saying thank you lol.
 
ShrtRnd said:
Is it though? Inevitably it gets tossed or brought into the conversation, much like the 260Rem or 6.5 Swede arguments/comparisons for or against the Creedmore. It’s still in the 6.5mm category like the others, so why not include it?
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yes, it does ignorantly get tossed into a bunch of conversations it has no business being in, run the numbers...it matches the 338 lapua all the way out, just like the 6.5 creedmoor matches the 300 win mag...two completely different recoil and performance classes, if you like recoil and hate math...shoot the big 30's and 338's, fill yer boots, if you're ok with math and wanna shoot really well for a lot less powder burned and happier shoulder then you can do that too ;)
 
blakeyboy said:
yes, it does ignorantly get tossed into a bunch of conversations it has no business being in, run the numbers...it matches the 338 lapua all the way out, just like the 6.5 creedmoor matches the 300 win mag...two completely different recoil and performance classes, if you like recoil and hate math...shoot the big 30's and 338's, fill yer boots, if you're ok with math and wanna shoot really well for a lot less powder burned and happier shoulder then you can do that too ;)
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I see what your saying trajectory wise, yet comparing the Creed to a 300Win is a bit of a stretch in my books, I thought this was about overall performance of the two orig cals and merely suggested the extra hp and flatness of the PRC in the same 6.5 class as an alternative.

At least I didn’t included the other 6.5mm cals as potential options :stirthepot2:

6.5x284
6.5 RPM
6.5-300 Wby

At the end of the day they all do the same thing (click, bang & hopefully tag filled) regardless of what caliber, case, projectile, action, recoil or powder burned etc.

So like you say.. pick your poison dependant on ego, recoil sensitivity or pocket book depth and be happy..

But hey.. we’ve squirrel’d out on this thread enough already :d
 
blakeyboy said:
just like the 6.5 creedmoor matches the 300 win mag...
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You’d really have to cherry pick your data to make that one work. Try comparable bullet types, run the 190, 200 or 220gr OTMs or Berger VLD hunting bullet loads against your favourite 6.5 Cr. The .300 is pushing those heavyweights and their absurd BCs at 2800-2900fps.

Then pick the 150gr superformance load at 3400fps and run that against any 6.5Cr for trajectory and your 1800fps bullet performance cutoff.

My only actual gripe about the 6.5Cr is that it gets painted like this, it’s a decent little cartridge, just like many others. It is not revolutionary nor does it match the .300, even if you don’t believe in energy being meaningful in terminal ballistics.
 
blakeyboy said:
I don't even shoot the manbun, I shoot even less hp, 6.5 Grendel...the manbun is too manly for me. ;)

And bruh...there's a crapload of people out there that don't reload, rebarrel, and have their own smith lol. There is a huge difference between them, one was designed around light bullets, slow twists, short necks...a 20th century formula, the other takes all that we learned since and applied it to the 21st understanding of not just ballistics in the air and terminally but the rifles, magazines etc. also. Solved all the problems of the 260 and makes it all off the shelf. Why hate that? It's called doing it right the first time. Who doesn't like that formula? You don't think we didn't learn a few things over 50 or so years? Well we did, and pretty bright dude put it into a next gen short action cartridge, we should saying thank you lol.
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Thats nice. Enjoy. - dan
 
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