33 Nosler
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I've loaded for and shot, the larger 338 Ultra Mag, 26" barrel -- 3060 fps with 250gr NP & H1000. Can't see a 340 Wby, with a smaller case capacity, give another 50-75+ fps over the RUM
'Cause it's Weatherby magic..........
All 3 of the 340s I have had would do between 3060-3100 fps with 26" tube and 250 Parts...........All my 340 cases have been reformed W-W 375 H&H brass, might have something to do with it..........
Yep Andy, and Hillary CLAIMS she turned over all the e-mails..........Apparently they don't load for their 7 RUM like I do..........
I have never tried to compare my 28 to any of the other speedy 7s.
It is certainly a lot faster than my 7 Mag., that much I do know.
Here's a drawing for the 28 Nosler:
Here's a drawing for the "8mm ARP" wildcat I designed more than 10 years ago:
I guess I'll have to rename it the "32 Nosler".
Lmfao better patent that before they do.
Here's a drawing for the 28 Nosler:
Here's a drawing for the "8mm ARP" wildcat I designed more than 10 years ago:
I guess I'll have to rename it the "32 Nosler".
No need to, the 8mm has never done well in NA and there is no reason to think that it ever will.
I don't like the sketchy marketing going on with this cal. Some of their marketing comparisons between it and the LM use very skewed speeds. I'm all for creative salesmanship, but they are being creative with the truth.
Figure the Weatherby magic is the ample freebore. Have you calculated case volume ,the length of a loaded round, one that is loaded to touch the rifling...calculate the volumetric difference between them. Lets say its 10 grains of water, this added to case capacity will give you effective case capacity less inertia to jump the bullet to the rifling.
To calculate pressure you will need Quickload and a Labradar, anything else is a guess at pressure.
BCBRAD..........we have had this conversation before, quickload is just a computer program..........it does NOT measure pressure. Pressure is irrelevant as long as the bolt lifts, the primer is still in the case and the case will still hold a new primer, for 3 or more loads. A computer program and fancy chronograph, although useful tools, are no substitute for 45 years of experience. You need to put away the computer and get out and do some more shooting and loading, and maybe some experimenting thinking "outside the box".........but safely of course. You will stunt your learning and knowledge curve by running every load through Quickload and relying on it's printout as the God given truth. There are too many variables in different firearms for Quickload to be able to take them all into consideration. For example, just in the last few days we have been discussing a phenomenon we call a "slow barrel", this is something we come across from time to time and the reason is not obviously evident, it just is. Now if you run your load used in a "slow barrel" through Quickload, it will tell you to add more powder that your pressures are much lower than they are in reality. This can create a very dangerous situation if you are relying solely on Quickload for your data. You cannot substitute computer programs for experience, which is why people think and reason, it's called intelligence...........computers can only compute the data they have been given, they cannot see and they cannot think and they cannot factor in anomalies like "slow barrels".
Your reliance on Quickload is akin to saying a computer can teach you how to ride a horse or drive a race car or fly an airplane.........it can give you all the physics of how to do it, but it can never give you the "feel" necessary to do these things successfully. Neither can it possibly take into account all the possible scenarios these instruments of death may throw at you. Experience.........there just is no substitute, period.
Your reliance on Quickload is akin to saying a computer can teach you how to ride a horse or drive a race car or fly an airplane.........it can give you all the physics of how to do it, but it can never give you the "feel" necessary to do these things successfully. Neither can it possibly take into account all the possible scenarios these instruments of death may throw at you. Experience.........there just is no substitute, period.
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QL calculates pressure just as a load cell calculates weight.
A slow barrel may not be dimensionally correct or rough in finish.
This can be accounted for in the program. The trigger is that the predicted doesn't match the actual velocity......if not why not?
Is it burn rate? Is it case volume? Is it bullet weight? Is it a 'slow barrel' ?
It is yours to find out, the program and logical thinking that will determine what it is!
The last thing you do is add more powder if velocities are too far off the predicted.
BB-63 can launch a 2200# projectile 20 or so miles at ~30kn ship speed and place that shell fairly precisely, wonder how that can be done? Is there a gunnery sgt. with 45 years experience blasting these projectiles at targets......or do they have a computer?
Experience is a great thing , I remember the days when the maintenance manager could lay a screw driver to his ear and tell you if the bearing in a gearbox was bad....wow. With vibration analysis (my vocation) the tools and knowledge of the use of these tools plus intimate knowledge of rotating equipment Certified M/W) can tell you what bearing, what rolling element, inner or outer race etc is defective, I could go on, but you are probably in disbelief at this point.
I will give you that a computer program with out knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
With knowledge and understanding of the concepts it becomes an aid.
Who would have ever thought (45 years ago) that a tiny V6 with twin turbos could get 23.5 mpg and 365 hp and be reliable ......oh wait that's before computers were main stream to the masses.
getting good results on paper targets......must be a fluke!
A slow barrel may not be dimensionally correct or rough in finish.
This can be accounted for in the program. The trigger is that the predicted doesn't match the actual velocity......if not why not?
Is it burn rate? Is it case volume? Is it bullet weight? Is it a 'slow barrel' ?
It is yours to find out, the program and logical thinking that will determine what it is!
The last thing you do is add more powder if velocities are too far off the predicted.
BB-63 can launch a 2200# projectile 20 or so miles at ~30kn ship speed and place that shell fairly precisely, wonder how that can be done? Is there a gunnery sgt. with 45 years experience blasting these projectiles at targets......or do they have a computer?
Experience is a great thing , I remember the days when the maintenance manager could lay a screw driver to his ear and tell you if the bearing in a gearbox was bad....wow. With vibration analysis (my vocation) the tools and knowledge of the use of these tools plus intimate knowledge of rotating equipment Certified M/W) can tell you what bearing, what rolling element, inner or outer race etc is defective, I could go on, but you are probably in disbelief at this point.
I will give you that a computer program with out knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
With knowledge and understanding of the concepts it becomes an aid.
Who would have ever thought (45 years ago) that a tiny V6 with twin turbos could get 23.5 mpg and 365 hp and be reliable ......oh wait that's before computers were main stream to the masses.
getting good results on paper targets......must be a fluke!
And BCBRAD, the answer remains the same........"No, thank you" and this is not because I am a closed minded person, it is because there is nothing your computer program has to offer me, except a theoretical pressure. I know the velocity, I know the accuracy, I know the trajectory and I know I can reload the case multiple times. This meets all the criteria I seek in a rifle/cartridge/load, as I keep saying and you keep ignoring.........THE PRESSURE IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT IF THE REST OF MY CRITERIA IS MET.......and the load is therefore safe in my rifle.
I hear you. The program offers much more than just pressure and velocity.
For example if bullet ,powder, primer lots change then I can get back on the node, optimum burn with a few rounds expended.
I can also model what powder is best (optimum burn) for many powders sitting at my kitchen table.......essentially I can prove why a good load is a good load not to mention which powders in any application that will extend barrel life.
I don't know how you could not be interested in that!
I did it your way for 32 years before the enlightenment.
There could be force 6 gale approaching you better check your sails........I'll check the fuel rods in the reactor.
For example if bullet ,powder, primer lots change then I can get back on the node, optimum burn with a few rounds expended.
I can also model what powder is best (optimum burn) for many powders sitting at my kitchen table.......essentially I can prove why a good load is a good load not to mention which powders in any application that will extend barrel life.
I don't know how you could not be interested in that!
I did it your way for 32 years before the enlightenment.
There could be force 6 gale approaching you better check your sails........I'll check the fuel rods in the reactor.
You can't prove anything though. You can make well educated guesses as to what is going on, but you can't prove it. The scientific method doesn't prove anything, it disproves stuff..
All I have to say BCBRAD is some of us put more faith in technology than others........that is really all our discussion boils down to.
Oh and by the way, when things go awry on my boat I might rip a sail or bust a mast.............your boat turns into a mushroom cloud and kills all sea life for 1000 mile radius..........
Oh and by the way, when things go awry on my boat I might rip a sail or bust a mast.............your boat turns into a mushroom cloud and kills all sea life for 1000 mile radius..........
