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Hello all. Just curious if any of you are familiar with this bullet and its performance in the 338-06. Currently I'm using 215gr Sierra GK and love the results with Varget getting 2700FPS but would like to experiment with the Swift and some RL17 hoping to get them around +/-2800FPS. I have a good feeling this is possible but how will this bullet preform out to say 300-350yards. Will I get reliable expansion with this tough bullet out at that range with an approx impact velocity of 2400?

All i use this gun for is Moose when i get the chance to go so i only shoot approx 30 rounds a year(playing around at the range and sight it). I do have good faith in my current load but feel the itch to experiment hehe..

if there are any other bullets like Barns, Nosler ETC you all would recommend over the swift please cyme in.

Thanks all

Josh
 
My main rifle is a Cooper M52 338-06. I'm shooting 210gr Barnes TTSX at 2950fps and. 20 moa (less than 1/4). I use this for everything, especially moose. 53.0 grs RL15. Long range is awesome out to about 800. Topped with Leupold 3x9 CDS. The Scirocco bullets are fine, I prefer the TTSX.
 
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I highly endorse the Swift Scirocco II , I however have not used it in the chambering you are asking about.

The impact velocities you are giving will work well with the SC II's.





The second photo are some SC II's I recovered from target practice, they were removed from dense wet sand.They expand consistently and retain good weight while pushing a very consistent wound channel through.They were out of a 7mmWSM at an impact velocity of around 3000 ft/sec.

It is a tough bullet , it doesn't come apart but it does initially expand very nicely, maybe even a bit better then the factory photo shows.The jacket construction allows for almost a progressive type of expansion as it is thin at the front and thickens to the rear.

IMO this bullet has the widest velocity range for adequate performance.The mono metal and Barnes require speed, they work very well when pushed but when velocities diminish it only makes sense and has been show the the softer lead will expand better over the copper.

The further your shot/slower , the less things will expand.

You won't go wrong using the Swift for what you are asking.
 
Have you tried IMR4320..........it is supposed to be one of the better performers in this caliber.Harold
 
Thanks all for the replies.
9.3 Hunter- I have definitely looked at the Barns and they are another I would love to try and possibly will some day in my 7mm-08 which is currently shooting 150 Swift bullets but have yet to only kill water bottles lol. Im really impressed with that velocity and have read a lot of good things about RL17 but your RL15 now has me pondering if it might not have the edge but how temp sensitive is it? RL17 seems to be not as sensitive as other RL products. I do a lot of testing in the summers when i seem to be a little slower at work so its nice to have something that isn't going to vary as much when it drops into the negatives.

Kelly- Thanks again for the info on the Swifts. Your the one who steered me towards the Swifts in my 7mm-08. They defiantly are accurate in the rifles i have tired them in. I was just curious if maybe there were constructed a little tougher for 338wimmag velocities. the Sierra bullets I'm shooting know are built for the Wimmag and that they are actually the 250gr jacket with nose cut back to the 215gr length. The sierra rep i talked to said they are a very tough bullet but don't hot rod them to much. I have found this to be true as the 215 went lengthwise threw a tightly pack hay bale that was wet and planted itself 3" into a concrete wall still mushroomed but the lead was missing... but if i hit the concrete i wouldn't have much lead in me either lol. But aways i was just curious if they were constructed a little tougher then the others.

Harold- Yes i have a pound of IMR4320 and tried it. accuracy was good but velocity was slower then Varget. For some reason my gun only liked it in mid range loads. anytime i got close to max loads my groups would open put to 2" sometime more form 3/4. When i took the loads past max load looking for signs of pressure i got about 1 gr over max, ran into pressure signs and accuracy still didn't work its way back down. Other powders i have tried is IMR4007SSC which was slow with 225gr SST but never did try it with the 215 to see if it gave better velocity and accuracy then Varget.

Thanks all again!!! hope to here more :D
 
The Swift line are actually created to be tough all around.I have never read or heard anything about one caliber being created stronger then the other for particular applications.Must be the point of the pure copper tapered jacket and I can only assume the jacket gets heavier as the size of projectile gets larger, I have not measured.As for Sierras, nothing shoots like them, especially the Game King in a hunting projectile.As for construction based on caliber I cannot say.Now the Swift A-Frame, is a whole different animal.

Here are the reasons I don't use Barnes, my reasons only, they are a wonderful bullet.
-IMO they don't open to a diameter as wide as a lead core bullet creating less damage and leaving less energy inside the critter.
-If I get into a situation where I will be going to be shooting at something longer range, I feel they won't have the velocity to expand properly and would only pencil through.Lead and copper is softer then pure copper.

I am currently doing load development on a 7 RM and 7/08 , the RM already has a Scirocco load and I will be testing Barnes in both , I will keep you posted as I have a ladder test done and doing final tuning checks on groups when I get back out.

ackertjosh said:
Thanks all for the replies.
9.3 Hunter- I have definitely looked at the Barns and they are another I would love to try and possibly will some day in my 7mm-08 which is currently shooting 150 Swift bullets but have yet to only kill water bottles lol. Im really impressed with that velocity and have read a lot of good things about RL17 but your RL15 now has me pondering if it might not have the edge but how temp sensitive is it? RL17 seems to be not as sensitive as other RL products. I do a lot of testing in the summers when i seem to be a little slower at work so its nice to have something that isn't going to vary as much when it drops into the negatives.

Kelly- Thanks again for the info on the Swifts. Your the one who steered me towards the Swifts in my 7mm-08. They defiantly are accurate in the rifles i have tired them in. I was just curious if maybe there were constructed a little tougher for 338wimmag velocities. the Sierra bullets I'm shooting know are built for the Wimmag and that they are actually the 250gr jacket with nose cut back to the 215gr length. The sierra rep i talked to said they are a very tough bullet but don't hot rod them to much. I have found this to be true as the 215 went lengthwise threw a tightly pack hay bale that was wet and planted itself 3" into a concrete wall still mushroomed but the lead was missing... but if i hit the concrete i wouldn't have much lead in me either lol. But aways i was just curious if they were constructed a little tougher then the others.

Harold- Yes i have a pound of IMR4320 and tried it. accuracy was good but velocity was slower then Varget. For some reason my gun only liked it in mid range loads. anytime i got close to max loads my groups would open put to 2" sometime more form 3/4. When i took the loads past max load looking for signs of pressure i got about 1 gr over max, ran into pressure signs and accuracy still didn't work its way back down. Other powders i have tried is IMR4007SSC which was slow with 225gr SST but never did try it with the 215 to see if it gave better velocity and accuracy then Varget.

Thanks all again!!! hope to here more :D
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2800 is doable. I have tried the 210 swift out of my 338 06 and have never found a load that is accurate enough.i love swifts and use them In 7mm and 300's with excellent results. my favorite bullet in my 338 06 is a nozler 200 grn silver bt. a tough bullet as I have yet to recover one. at 338 06 speeds I think any bullet would work. i'm currently playing with sierra 225's and have used hornady 200 interlocks, 225 interbonds and 200 nab's..
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
The Swift line are actually created to be tough all around.I have never read or heard anything about one caliber being created stronger then the other for particular applications.Must be the point of the pure copper tapered jacket and I can only assume the jacket gets heavier as the size of projectile gets larger, I have not measured.As for Sierras, nothing shoots like them, especially the Game King in a hunting projectile.As for construction based on caliber I cannot say.Now the Swift A-Frame, is a whole different animal.

Here are the reasons I don't use Barnes, my reasons only, they are a wonderful bullet.
-IMO they don't open to a diameter as wide as a lead core bullet creating less damage and leaving less energy inside the critter.
-If I get into a situation where I will be going to be shooting at something longer range, I feel they won't have the velocity to expand properly and would only pencil through.Lead and copper is softer then pure copper.

I am currently doing load development on a 7 RM and 7/08 , the RM already has a Scirocco load and I will be testing Barnes in both , I will keep you posted as I have a ladder test done and doing final tuning checks on groups when I get back out.
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I would be interested in what you find in your load development with the swifts in both the 7RM and 7-08 as well.
Thanks
 
Kelly. With my 7-08 and the 150 Swifts i was able to get 2775FPS with a good dose of IMR4007SSC(cant recall the exact charge but believe its around 46.5) in a remington Case and set off with a Remington 9 1/2 Primer. this is in a custom Rem 700 action with a 1-8 Giallard Barrel. Like i said i have never killed anything with them yet but im hoping this year is the year :D
 
In response to the two above posts.

In my 7/08 I am getting 2750 ft/sec with W760 , CCI 200's , Remington brass, COAL of 2.800" Very good accuracy , Krieger barrel , 700 trued action. 1/2 MOA capable.I could likely chase down a second accuracy node at higher velocity if I desired.

The 7 RM T3 All factory, I just did load development for is getting 2967 ft/sec , 7828 , 215M and PRVI brass, loaded to fit mag at 3.320" 3/4 MOA capable

I also load them in my 7WSM BLR , with very good accuracy at 2950 ft/sec.

I could chase for more speed but I always load for accuracy.

I am currently doing a load for Barnes in the above 7RM it is not mine, and a 7/08 T3 that is also not mine.
 
i see x reload has the 210 in stock.... hummm.. deffanitly making me think.. do i need these haha.. i only have 100 Sierra at home... but then again midaswell get them make a load. write it down and know for next year when moose hunting comes im ready to go. just to find some RL17 or 15 lol... at a reasonable price.. the LGS is 60 per pound.. i do have a supplier (hummasons) who is alot cheaper but is over 1 hour drive from me now :(. Eiher or this 338-06 is singing a sweet tune and will be even sweeter when i seen bullwinkle fall :D
 
Exit wound on a moose that I shot at ~250 Yards. Bullet was the Barnes 210 grain TTSX launched out of my 338-06 @ 2800 fps. The Tipped triple shocks have no trouble expanding at modest impact velocity. The moose only went a few yards and was blowing liquified lungs 10 feet out from both sides.
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9.3 Hunter said:
My main rifle is a Cooper M52 338-06. I'm shooting 210gr Barnes TTSX at 2950fps and. 20 moa (less than 1/4). I use this for everything, especially moose. 53.0 grs RL15. Long range is awesome out to about 800. Topped with Leupold 3x9 CDS. The Scirocco bullets are fine, I prefer the TTSX.
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WOW ! 2950 fps out of a 338-06 with A 210 gr-er ! That load of 53.5 -RL15 shows 2669 fps from the Nosler manual with a 24 " barrel - How LONG a barrel u Got ? Just wondering -thats a pretty HIGH number for that cartridge ! Thxs RJ
 
I'm a big fan of Sciroccos as well. They fly great, drop game like lightening hit them and retain weight well.

The only other "heavy construction " bullet I like is the Nosler Partition. I have had good luck with those too.

And I agree with KT as well on the Gamekings, excellent all around hunting bullet, cheap as borscht too.
 
  1. remington jim said:
    WOW ! 2950 fps out of a 338-06 with A 210 gr-er ! That load of 53.5 -RL15 shows 2669 fps from the Nosler manual with a 24 " barrel - How LONG a barrel u Got ? Just wondering -thats a pretty HIGH number for that cartridge ! Thxs RJ
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Fastest I've gotten so far with 210 grs is with the partitions and 55.7 RL15 for 2718 fps.
Best groups with that combo was 54.7 RL15 at 2645 fps.
22" barrel.

With the Swift Scirocco II's I was getting consistent 1 1/4" groups at 150 yds with 51.2 H4895 for 2694 fps.
 
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