338 federal powders for 180 accubonds?

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I’m in the works of adding a 338 federal to my stable to accompany why 338-06. With the love for the 338 caliber bullet made me add the federal. Gonna be a deer/ moose-elk backup gun to the 338-06. Building it lighter and more flickable than the 338-06.
So plan is to hopefully use 180 accubonds which I have plenty of.
Wondering what y’all are using for powder with this bullet? Results?
 
This may or may not be relevant to the OP post.

I made up a 338-08 about ten years before Federal came out with their version.

I had a 338-06AI reamer which had been damaged, it was picked out of a smith's scrap bin.

I sent the reamer to JGS and they ground it for me to a spec they had from a previous job. The 338-08 was quite popular at one point, and Federal knew a good thing when they saw it.

My rifle is a converted Mauser 98 with a medium/heavy barrel, taken off a Ruger #1. It was a custom replacement barrel made by Shilen.

I cut off the chamber, threaded the tenon and chambered it to this version of the 338-08.

I really like the cartridge.

I have a 1-12 twist rate in my barrel and like you wanted to use 180 grain bullets.

I found out the hard way that the 180 grain offerings in the common cup and core type bullets was quite frangible, and although it killed Deer well, it made a mess of things in the area it hit. I had one that broke a shoulder, but didn't penetrate beyond the bone. The shot was just over 100yds, from a tree stand at a downward angle. The Deer went down, but got up again, running with a broken shoulder. He stopped after 50 yards and I put another bullet into his lungs, where the first bullet should have gone. My bad.

I managed to find some Nosler 180 grain 338 Accubonds and they worked much better.

The thing is, one of the reasons we shoot the 338 bullets is to get the ability to shoot heavier bullets faster than equal weight 30 cal bullets.

I like Nosler bullets but I don't like the price of them, so I opted to up the bullet weight to 200 grains, then 225 grains.

I found just about any 200-grain cup and core bullet was less frangible than the 180 grain bullets of similar construction. The 225 grain bullets I settled on was the 225 SP, flat base Hornady Interlock, which also works very well in my 338-06.

I finally settled on Win 748 as a good powder for my 338-08 with a 19.5in bbl, in all bullet weights.

Because of the larger bore diameter and the smaller case capacity, you need to use faster powders. Preferably one which will fill the case at least 90% or more and attain the best accuracy/velocity combination you can live with. W748 fills that niche for me.

My load for the 225-grain bullet is 47.0 grains of W748, over CCI250 magnum primers. H380 and CFR223 also work well, but Varget is too bulky.

My load for 200 grain bullets is 49.0 grains of W748, over CCI250 magnum primers.

I never really worked up a load for the 180 grain bullets after the shine went off of them for me, but if I were to use them again, I would likely use a faster powder such as IMR8208. I was considering trying some of the Enduron powders, but held off on them to see if they would be around for the long run.

My listed loads are Maximum for my rifle. Maybe too HOT, so I caution you to start at least 5% lower with your loads, should you decide to use them.
 
My 338 federal really likes Tac powder with the 160 and 180gr bullets.
Varget worked good accuracy wise as well but out of all the powders I tried Tac just had speed and accuracy quite a bit higher then the other powders.
I found the same to be true in my 35 Whelen. TAC is a joy to reload with as well because it’s a ball powder
 
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This may or may not be relevant to the OP post.

I made up a 338-08 about ten years before Federal came out with their version.

I had a 338-06AI reamer which had been damaged, it was picked out of a smith's scrap bin.

I sent the reamer to JGS and they ground it for me to a spec they had from a previous job. The 338-08 was quite popular at one point, and Federal knew a good thing when they saw it.

My rifle is a converted Mauser 98 with a medium/heavy barrel, taken off a Ruger #1. It was a custom replacement barrel made by Shilen.

I cut off the chamber, threaded the tenon and chambered it to this version of the 338-08.

I really like the cartridge.

I have a 1-12 twist rate in my barrel and like you wanted to use 180 grain bullets.

I found out the hard way that the 180 grain offerings in the common cup and core type bullets was quite frangible, and although it killed Deer well, it made a mess of things in the area it hit. I had one that broke a shoulder, but didn't penetrate beyond the bone. The shot was just over 100yds, from a tree stand at a downward angle. The Deer went down, but got up again, running with a broken shoulder. He stopped after 50 yards and I put another bullet into his lungs, where the first bullet should have gone. My bad.

I managed to find some Nosler 180 grain 338 Accubonds and they worked much better.

The thing is, one of the reasons we shoot the 338 bullets is to get the ability to shoot heavier bullets faster than equal weight 30 cal bullets.

I like Nosler bullets but I don't like the price of them, so I opted to up the bullet weight to 200 grains, then 225 grains.

I found just about any 200-grain cup and core bullet was less frangible than the 180 grain bullets of similar construction. The 225 grain bullets I settled on was the 225 SP, flat base Hornady Interlock, which also works very well in my 338-06.

I finally settled on Win 748 as a good powder for my 338-08 with a 19.5in bbl, in all bullet weights.

Because of the larger bore diameter and the smaller case capacity, you need to use faster powders. Preferably one which will fill the case at least 90% or more and attain the best accuracy/velocity combination you can live with. W748 fills that niche for me.

My load for the 225-grain bullet is 47.0 grains of W748, over CCI250 magnum primers. H380 and CFR223 also work well, but Varget is too bulky.

My load for 200 grain bullets is 49.0 grains of W748, over CCI250 magnum primers.

I never really worked up a load for the 180 grain bullets after the shine went off of them for me, but if I were to use them again, I would likely use a faster powder such as IMR8208. I was considering trying some of the Enduron powders, but held off on them to see if they would be around for the long run.

My listed loads are Maximum for my rifle. Maybe too HOT, so I caution you to start at least 5% lower with your loads, should you decide to use them.
Thank you for your feedback.
180 accubonds are a great bullet. I’m planning on trying 8208. Seems to be the right pressures to attain great velocity. So likely not compressed
 
My 338 federal really likes Tac powder with the 160 and 180gr bullets.
Varget worked good accuracy wise as well but out of all the powders I tried Tac just had speed and accuracy quite a bit higher then the other powders.
I found the same to be true in my 35 Whelen. TAC is a joy to reload with as well because it’s a ball powder
Is it temp stable?
 
Thank you for your feedback.
180 accubonds are a great bullet. I’m planning on trying 8208. Seems to be the right pressures to attain great velocity. So likely not compressed
I'm wondering what you've got against "compressed" loads

Many powders work best when they're slightly compressed, especially once diameters exceed 30 cal.

What twist rate do you have in your barrel? It may not appreciate the 180 grain bullets and over stabilize them. (yes there is such a thing as over stabilizing and it causes all sorts of issues.) But the Nosler Accubonds are heavily constructed so should be fine.

I've been toying with trying Barnes 338 160 grain monolithic bullets, which are as long as the 225 grain Hornady SPFB.
 
I'm wondering what you've got against "compressed" loads

Many powders work best when they're slightly compressed, especially once diameters exceed 30 cal.

What twist rate do you have in your barrel? It may not appreciate the 180 grain bullets and over stabilize them. (yes there is such a thing as over stabilizing and it causes all sorts of issues.) But the Nosler Accubonds are heavily constructed so should be fine.

I've been toying with trying Barnes 338 160 grain monolithic bullets, which are as long as the 225 grain Hornady SPFB.
Nothing against. But would like to attain the 60k psi to achieve best performance of the cartridge. Just my internal gears work that wat
 
Is it temp stable?
I believe it is sensitive but I havnt seen any problems because at best the 338 fed is only a 400 yard cartridge when it comes to hunting.

From what I have read is that it is only slightly sensitive to temperature. I built my loads in the summer and I whacked a giant bull moose in freezing temps at 390yards with the 160ttsx and the two bullets landed where I pointed.
 
My 338 federal really likes Tac powder with the 160 and 180gr bullets.
Varget worked good accuracy wise as well but out of all the powders I tried Tac just had speed and accuracy quite a bit higher then the other powders.
I found the same to be true in my 35 Whelen. TAC is a joy to reload with as well because it’s a ball powder
And it’s like $47/lb at cabelas!
 
I used H4895 with 185TSX in a Sako 85, and IMR 8208xbr in a Ruger 77 with 185TTSX

Today I would take a good hard look at Winchester StaBALL Match
 
Congrats on the 338 Federal.
I too have a 338-06 and 2, in 338 Federal. I have taken moose, caribou and stones sheep to date with the 338 Federal. I am really enjoying the cartridge (and rifles). I'm sure you will too!

I haven't handloaded for the 180 gr AB in my 338 Federals as yet, as I am working towards a load with the 200 gr AB (with either Re-17 or CFE 223 which I have on hand), for my bolt action, and will be sticking to the 210 gr Partition in my lever action (rebarreled Model 88).
My bolt action (Sako 85) doesn't like the factory 180 gr AB ammo, where my previous rifle (Tikka T3) did (sub-MOA), and now belongs to my stepfather who was looking for a lefthanded hunting rifle for moose and elk, and is somewhat recoil sensitive.

The only load data that I have written down for the 180 gr AB is a up to a max charge of 48.5 gr of IMR XBR 8208 for 2811 fps. Haven't tried it as yet.
Would like to hear what the load for Tac is that is working for Bare for the 180 gr...
 
Congrats on the 338 Federal.
I too have a 338-06 and 2, in 338 Federal. I have taken moose, caribou and stones sheep to date with the 338 Federal. I am really enjoying the cartridge (and rifles). I'm sure you will too!

I haven't handloaded for the 180 gr AB in my 338 Federals as yet, as I am working towards a load with the 200 gr AB (with either Re-17 or CFE 223 which I have on hand), for my bolt action, and will be sticking to the 210 gr Partition in my lever action (rebarreled Model 88).
My bolt action (Sako 85) doesn't like the factory 180 gr AB ammo, where my previous rifle (Tikka T3) did (sub-MOA), and now belongs to my stepfather who was looking for a lefthanded hunting rifle for moose and elk, and is somewhat recoil sensitive.

The only load data that I have written down for the 180 gr AB is a up to a max charge of 48.5 gr of IMR XBR 8208 for 2811 fps. Haven't tried it as yet.
Would like to hear what the load for Tac is that is working for Bare for the 180 gr...
I’m thinking of trying the 8208. That’s decent velocity.
 
Trying to find a powder that will get me as close to 60k uncompressed. Temp stable as well.
IMR3031, H322, Benchmark and IMR8208 will do that with close to a full case. Anything faster than H322 will do that with less than a full case. Temp stability is another matter.
 
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