.338 Federal vs. .358 Win
- Thread starter Mr. Friendly
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perhaps Slamfire can make a vid of this bullet in a 338 Federal using a chrony. 
yeah, i think i got to stop thinkin so much, the 9.3x62 has it over the 33 Fed in every way an always will, there is no need to load up the 9.3 to full power house loads what so ever, what i think would be likely to happen is loading the 232gr woodleigh an using that exclusively in the 9.3x62 tikka..
i shot the stag last week at 35ms or so, an the RN 250gr didnt appear to expand much, which is fine, penetration was 100% but if i load slower and shoot further, it would be interesting, without further testing, to know how that will continue to perform on Hinds andnot the big bull sambar stags.....
i think the 232gr will do more expanding on Hinds and a bit more energy dump in doing so, without having any issue on the bigger stags.
i have like 40 rounds until i start the 232 bandwagon tho
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Don't know of any published data for the 338 Federal with bullets heavier than 225gr. My 358 BLR will do 2100 fps with a 310gr bullet and 2300 fps with a 250gr from a 20" barrel. For a 22" barrel add about 50 fps. Extrapolation/interpolation would indicate that for the 338 Federal the 265gr AB LR would likely do 2250 fps from a 22" barrel, and likely closer to 2300 fps from a 24" barrel at safe pressure levels.
It's a very cool round but passed over the 338 Federal for the 338 WM which will fire the 265gr AB LR at 2700 fps, and which can be reduced-loaded to 338 Federal ballistics.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1730003-338-Win-Mag-amp-265gr-AB-LR
It's a very cool round but passed over the 338 Federal for the 338 WM which will fire the 265gr AB LR at 2700 fps, and which can be reduced-loaded to 338 Federal ballistics.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1730003-338-Win-Mag-amp-265gr-AB-LR
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I shot Hornady 250gr RNSP over H4895 in a 22.4" Sako 338F years ago, 2320 fps
here's a Quickload prediction for the 338F & 270gr ELDx Hornady from 22" barrel
here's a Quickload prediction for the 338F & 270gr ELDx Hornady from 22" barrel
Code:
Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 270, Hornady ELD-X 33371
Useable Case Capaci: 34.259 grain H2O = 2.224 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 103 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
6 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon CFE223 101.8 35.8 2.32 2062 98.3 60000 5212 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 102.3 35.3 2.28 2052 98.9 60000 5140 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 99.7 33.9 2.20 2050 99.5 60000 4941 1.297 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp 103.0 31.5 2.04 2023 100.0 59479 4244 1.306 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 94.4 32.5 2.11 2015 100.0 60000 4689 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 103.0 32.5 2.11 2014 98.4 58750 4979 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 100.0 30.7 1.99 2007 100.0 60000 4489 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208xbr 102.0 32.2 2.09 1999 98.9 60000 4738 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 101.2 34.5 2.23 1987 95.1 60000 4929 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 98.8 33.3 2.16 1981 97.7 60000 4749 1.335 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 103.0 32.5 2.11 1978 97.1 53693 5038 1.365 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL10x 97.1 28.9 1.88 1974 100.0 60000 4168 1.344 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 103.0 30.4 1.97 1969 100.0 51708 4542 1.370
Ramshot BigGame 103.0 34.6 2.25 1968 96.2 52326 4997 1.362
Hodgdon Benchmark 100.7 31.3 2.03 1967 99.3 60000 4512 1.342 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL15 103.0 32.5 2.11 1952 96.1 52667 4938 1.381
IMR 4198 96.3 27.3 1.77 1936 100.0 60000 3828 1.331 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL7 91.1 27.8 1.80 1930 100.0 60000 3895 1.364 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 93.2 27.6 1.79 1927 100.0 60000 3996 1.340 ! Near Maximum !- Location
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Tod...how do you fill a cartridge in surplus of 100% of maximum? tamp it a bit?
Tod...how do you fill a cartridge in surplus of 100% of maximum? tamp it a bit?
Compressed load.
The 310gr 358 Woodleigh is almost 0.4 inches shorter than the LRAB in 338. Does your extrapolation account for such a long bullet taking up powder space? Or are you assuming loads that don't fit a magazine?
Tod...how do you fill a cartridge in surplus of 100% of maximum? tamp it a bit?
up to about 105% will work
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so when you overcharge a cartridge's capacity, do you just let the bullet compress the powder or is there a system in place to do it so you don't create an explosive?
