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me to that's why I want this one I like all the 308 based cartridges they are fun to play with and all good cartridges

I just bought a win 30-30 on impulse lol I guess the 338 fed will have to wait for now
and a 358 is on my wish list as well like many CGN members im shure you guys all want several rifles in many calibers

I would like at least a few more to get started my collection is very small all quality but not many and I need a couple more rifles to realy cover the bases for my hunting needs
I have birds target and varmint covered but had to sell my big game rifle recently the 30-30 will do just fine until I get something with a bit more juice

shot placement is much more important than caliber anyway
lots of people prove that over and over ive seen more guys wound animals with big calls then small ones most people ive hunted with who hunt deer with 223's know their limits and respect them
 
22 precision said:
me to that's why I want this one I like all the 308 based cartridges they are fun to play with and all good cartridges

I just bought a win 30-30 on impulse lol I guess the 338 fed will have to wait for now
and a 358 is on my wish list as well like many CGN members im shure you guys all want several rifles in many calibers

I would like at least a few more to get started my collection is very small all quality but not many and I need a couple more rifles to realy cover the bases for my hunting needs
I have birds target and varmint covered but had to sell my big game rifle recently the 30-30 will do just fine until I get something with a bit more juice

shot placement is much more important than caliber anyway
lots of people prove that over and over ive seen more guys wound animals with big calls then small ones most people ive hunted with who hunt deer with 223's know their limits and respect them
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I agree, mostly. The most wounding I've seen has been with the boring regular cartridges, .270, .30-30, .308, .30-06, 7mm Mag etc. Basically, the off the shelf guns folks who hunt once a year buy, and with which they practice infrequently. That's not many people here who take the time to talk hunting and hunting guns, we generally have more of an interest and practice more in this group I like to think. And on the contrary, most of the magnum shooters I meet up north, in Africa, or elsewhere overseas are above average field marksmen in my experience. They've sought out a more niche tool and many know how to wield it very well indeed. There are of course the overgunned crowd that buy a magnum as it's the only real man's gun, but they are fewer than the poorly practiced .270 and .30-30 group I mentioned. There are failures in every walk of life, usually pretty evenly distributed, and cases can be made for and against both the magnum shooters and the classic crowd. My experience is tilting away from the magnum shooters being poor on the whole. I've also seen some horrendous wounding with light for the task cartridges.
 
In all my years of hunting and guiding I only came across one wounded animal that was shot (with a rifle) in the jaw, but witnessed many with arrows sticking out of them.....that's a different story. However, people who are younger than me and with less hunting experience, ^^^^ have witnessed more or seem to know more about cartridges and people who utilize them. Granted, I only hunt with two other people and never near the crowds, maybe that's why I don't experience what other's have.
 
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In all my years of hunting and guiding I only came across one wounded animal that was shot (with a rifle) in the jaw, but witnessed many with arrows sticking out of them.....that's a different story. However, people who are younger than me and with less hunting experience, ^^^^ have witnessed more or seem to know more about cartridges and people who utilize them. Granted, I only hunt with two other people and never near the crowds, maybe that's why I don't experience what other's have.
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That's odd... we were always happy to see sports show up with archery gear... IME, bowhunters are LESS likely to wound game than gun hunters... and I believe this is why; archers are a very dedicated group, they have accepted a self-imposed range limiting weapon, thus they are knowledgeable about their weapon and have practiced alot... archers on average (again IME) are less inclined to take marginal shots... and they are intimately familiar with game anatomy and the required placement of arrows for a lethal wound... at least, that was the consensus of a group of experienced guides that I worked with for many years.

Track, considering the remoteness of your hunting locale and the relatively low numbers of bowhunters, it is curious that you have come across so many animals with "arrows sticking out of them."
 
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That's odd... we were always happy to see sports show up with archery gear... IME, bowhunters are LESS likely to wound game than gun hunters... and I believe this is why; archers are a very dedicated group, they have accepted a self-imposed range limiting weapon, thus they are knowledgeable about their weapon and have practiced alot... archers on average (again IME) are less inclined to take marginal shots... and they are intimately familiar with game anatomy and the required placement of arrows for a lethal wound... at least, that was the consensus of a group of experienced guides that I worked with for many years.

Track, considering the remoteness of your hunting locale and the relatively low numbers of bowhunters, it is curious that you have come across so many animals with "arrows sticking out of them."
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The animals were mule deer in a southern zone in Alberta where I guided and hunted a few times. Mule deer zones are regulated and only 5 to 7 hunters are selected to hunt. This particular zone is 100 km long by 25 km wide (zone 132). However, prior to 2014 bow hunters were permitted to purchase a tag over the counter, and hunt mule deer at their leisure. This lead to a decrease in population and quality of mule deer bucks..........now bow hunters have to apply. Mule deer are rather mentally challenged, something like mountain sheep and goats.
My more serious hunting is in northern Alberta and Saskatchewan, remote country, few hunters, therefore rifle shots are rarely heard. Regarding the statement about seeing more wounded animals from bow hunters, well I'm only stating what I have witnessed, nothing else. I've witnessed seeing about a dozen with arrows sticking out of their legs, neck and one at the back of it's head...........stating facts only.
 
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That's odd... we were always happy to see sports show up with archery gear... IME, bowhunters are LESS likely to wound game than gun hunters... and I believe this is why; archers are a very dedicated group, they have accepted a self-imposed range limiting weapon, thus they are knowledgeable about their weapon and have practiced alot... archers on average (again IME) are less inclined to take marginal shots... and they are intimately familiar with game anatomy and the required placement of arrows for a lethal wound... at least, that was the consensus of a group of experienced guides that I worked with for many years.

Track, considering the remoteness of your hunting locale and the relatively low numbers of bowhunters, it is curious that you have come across so many animals with "arrows sticking out of them."
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I wish it were as you say but unfortunately I think it is the opposite. There are some very good ethical bowhunters out there but the vast majority I have seen in my area are just looking for a longer season and with the great knowleage provided from the archery shops about how the new bows are almost like rifles and can shoot 50+ yards no problem, there is not much hope. Every year I follow a blood trail with human prints for 20 yards then they stop. I proceed another 20 to find a dead deer. If anti hunters knew the stuff that goes on with these lazy hunters wounding and maiming deer our sport would be doomed. Sorry Rant off it just pisses me off how most hunters are unfortunately.
 
track said:
In all my years of hunting and guiding I only came across one wounded animal that was shot (with a rifle) in the jaw, but witnessed many with arrows sticking out of them.....that's a different story. However, people who are younger than me and with less hunting experience, ^^^^ have witnessed more or seem to know more about cartridges and people who utilize them. Granted, I only hunt with two other people and never near the crowds, maybe that's why I don't experience what other's have.
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track, let's avoid a pissing contest, one of your favorite pasttimes here. I think you'll find despite all your deep wisdom and years of experience, you spend significantly less time hunting in an average year than several here. I would also hazard a strong guess you haven't spent a lot of time culling, where you can watch a half dozen different rifles and shooters working over days. This all said, you know better as we all are aware. Bow hunting is the enemy and nobody could have seen more rifles and shooters work than you, I salute you.
 
But I've shot 8000 grizzlies with my 900 super nitro express mega magnum, my dicks bigger and my dad can beat up your dad is pretty much where this thread went.i was looking forward to some personal experiences with this round, instead I got covered in piss the whole way.
 
I take my bow over any weapon... not because it is any more or less effective, but because it forces me to hunt at a range I enjoy and I have to push myself to get there. 200 yards is a chipshot on a bull moose with a 300 WM, it just leaves me with a 180 yard riddle to solve... for me, that's what I most look forward to.


Oh, yes... the .338 Fed is a really nice cartridge for the OP's intended purpose.
 
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track, let's avoid a pissing contest, one of your favorite pasttimes here. I think you'll find despite all your deep wisdom and years of experience, you spend significantly less time hunting in an average year than several here. I would also hazard a strong guess you haven't spent a lot of time culling, where you can watch a half dozen different rifles and shooters working over days. This all said, you know better as we all are aware. Bow hunting is the enemy and nobody could have seen more rifles and shooters work than you, I salute you.
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Don't like to be called out on your fabricated stories. I don't start a pissing contest, but I'll challenge someone when I read bovine manure.............and your full of it. What does culling and your statistics have to do with hunting and hunters in North America..........get over yourself, your eyes must be brown.
I apologize to the OP et al to the side track. Any new cartridge based off the 308 Winchester case always turns out to be good........hence the 338 Federal.
 
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we did get a bit off track lol
I pretty much have all the info I was looking for about the cartridge

but on the side note in the area I hunt in we get a lot of tourists from the city that do just like the last guy said they buy a gun one box of cartridges and it takes them 6 or 7 years to use it up
most of them show up with pretty heavy hitters starting at 300wim and finishing at lapua mag witch is ridiculous for where I hunt like I said most of the people that are local use shot guns or 30-30s up to 30-06 and shoot them regularly

and ive seen these guys sight in their rifles no wonder they wound things none of them know how to shoot or handle the recoil and have brutal flinch and pull issues
about 5 of then get scoped every year at the beginning of the season

im not saying no one from the city knows how to hunt im just saying that our population goes up by like 550ppl every hunting season and a lot of them are inexperienced

we have had lots of bad experiences with these part time crowds in the last couple years and now we just go farther in than they care to venture to set up our camp
we had no choice every year now someone is in our tree stands when we show up for opener and theill put up blinds 10 feet from yours and stuff like that
 
22 precision said:
we did get a bit off track lol
I pretty much have all the info I was looking for about the cartridge

but on the side note in the area I hunt in we get a lot of tourists from the city that do just like the last guy said they buy a gun one box of cartridges and it takes them 6 or 7 years to use it up
most of them show up with pretty heavy hitters starting at 300wim and finishing at lapua mag witch is ridiculous for where I hunt like I said most of the people that are local use shot guns or 30-30s up to 30-06 and shoot them regularly

and ive seen these guys sight in their rifles no wonder they wound things none of them know how to shoot or handle the recoil and have brutal flinch and pull issues
about 5 of then get scoped every year at the beginning of the season

im not saying no one from the city knows how to hunt im just saying that our population goes up by like 550ppl every hunting season and a lot of them are inexperienced

we have had lots of bad experiences with these part time crowds in the last couple years and now we just go farther in than they care to venture to set up our camp
we had no choice every year now someone is in our tree stands when we show up for opener and theill put up blinds 10 feet from yours and stuff like that
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In southern Alberta I belonged to four different gun clubs, presently two at this time; where I rarely experienced poor shooters as you have. Many magnum shooters in southern Alberta, hence the open country long range shooting, and have witnessed excellent marksmanship. I guess maybe it depends of location where a person lives and how serious shooting and hunting is pursued. However, for one person to correlate culling/killing/wounding, with various cartridges, and north American hunting and hunters is ridiculous. The mundane cartridges previous noted have accomplished their purpose, and will continue to do so with many good shooters and hunters; however some people patronize proven cartridges and their users. The new wiz bang cartridges doesn't make a person a better shooter, hunter and less boring.
 
hoytcanon said:
That's odd... we were always happy to see sports show up with archery gear... IME, bowhunters are LESS likely to wound game than gun hunters... and I believe this is why; archers are a very dedicated group, they have accepted a self-imposed range limiting weapon, thus they are knowledgeable about their weapon and have practiced alot... archers on average (again IME) are less inclined to take marginal shots... and they are intimately familiar with game anatomy and the required placement of arrows for a lethal wound... at least, that was the consensus of a group of experienced guides that I worked with for many years.

Track, considering the remoteness of your hunting locale and the relatively low numbers of bowhunters, it is curious that you have come across so many animals with "arrows sticking out of them."
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The proliferation of crossbows has created a group of "hunters" who see them as a gun more then a bow. They dont practice nearly enough.
 
track said:
Don't like to be called out on your fabricated stories. I don't start a pissing contest, but I'll challenge someone when I read bovine manure.............and your full of it. What does culling and your statistics have to do with hunting and hunters in North America..........get over yourself, your eyes must be brown.
I apologize to the OP et al to the side track. Any new cartridge based off the 308 Winchester case always turns out to be good........hence the 338 Federal.
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On the bright side, you're usually good for comic relief. Might I suggest you look in a mirror and read your very own post back, it could prove enlightening. Funny, I met you more than once as a customer when you worked retail, you are true to yourself and haven't changed, for that again I salute you. :cheers:

Lets do the thread a favour and feel free to continue via PM, would be my pleasure.
 
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Ardent said:
On the bright side, you're usually good for comic relief. Might I suggest you look in a mirror and read your very own post back, it could prove enlightening. Funny, I met you more than once as a customer when you worked retail, you are true to yourself and haven't changed, for that again I salute you. :cheers:

Lets do the thread a favour and feel free to continue via PM, would be my pleasure.
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I prefer to be a comedian than a conceded vain know it all, being that your from the me, only me and me only generation. Waiting for the PM........
 
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You're getting more amusing by the post (and edit). I'm bemusedly concerned you have me confused with somebody else; I'm a father of two and it seems significantly older than you think. Wish I was younger to be honest, and if you're going by my photos thanks for the compliment. :)

Now, please how about replying to the pm I sent or even phoning me at the number I provided, will be happy to chat. Let's let this thread be.
 
Ardent said:
You're getting more amusing by the post (and edit). I'm bemusedly concerned you have me confused with somebody else; I'm a father of two and it seems significantly older than you think. Wish I was younger to be honest, and if you're going by my photos thanks for the compliment. :)

Now, please how about replying to the pm I sent or even phoning me at the number I provided, will be happy to chat. Let's let this thread be.
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LOL! Another conceded comment of yourself, it's becoming of you. PM sent...........
 
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