338 lapua in rem model 700

Make a deal with the liar from P & D that told you that, that if they don't come in by say April, which IF they're coming should be long enough, that he/she owes you twice what you've put down to hold one of their INCOMING guns. If they come in, perfect, you're set, if they don't it just proves they're weren't telling the truth to begin with. I can't stand it when sales people try to pull this kind of sales tactic.
Hey man, I hope you get one because that would mean someone in Calgary will be getting a unexpected shipment of these same rifles that were bought and paid for at the dealer show in 2005.
 
Did P & D say there were coming, and for you to place your deposit for one or were they just saying the Remington had annouced there was one coming out and we'd maybe see one sometime in the future?
 
Remington HAS been talking about making a 338LM for quite some time now. There are some prototypes floating around - and pics - but the actual production units never seem to materialize.

Assuming you're being lied to by some sales droid - especially one who's NOT on commission - is just asinine. It's FAR more likely that Remington has promised a 338LM 'soon,' just as they have been doing for the past couple years. Hell, P&D probably does have some on order, I know rick at atr has had a standing order forever, and remington keeps delaying or cancelling
 
My SWAG would be the 338LM Rem's fate has been tied to Rem's economic woes and its new owners. Delays have covered the same time frame.

To make the Rem lawyer happy, it will require some serious changes to its basic planform. That is expensive for a fairly limited market. Now if NATO makes it standard issue, well, gear up boys.....

Rem has a 338 RUM which works just as well. They have not promoted it at all in the tactical circles (are they promoting it in the hunting circles?) From my sources, Rem was reluctant to even try for the Cdn program and certainly not their own.

We shall see how forward thinking the new bosses are...

If they act like their plans are for Chrylser (industry heresay), Rem will be gutted with most lines dropped, and what remains merged with the AR companies.

Let's see what SHOT says...

Jerry

PS, although I have not read it, there is a Rem 'new for 2008' mag on the stands now which might give some insight to the direction of their product line.
 
The safety issues (real or imagined) of a .338 Lapua Mag on a Rem 700 action has been discussed to death on many forums on the net. The debate between the .338 Lapua and the .338 EDGE rages on as well. If you need that much gun use a REM mag action and go with a .338 EDGE.

If you need a .338 Lapua I would build a custom and call up Ian Roberston and get a Stiller action to build off of. I can imagine that a Rem .338 Lapua will be quite pricey to lawyer proof the action.
 
.338 Edge, Rum and all others are not made to military standards, only RUAG and Lapua in that game. the "other" .338's are OK for nonmilitary, but why bother, as the brass is inferior to that of Lapua(see 1000BR record).

Regards,

Peter
 
I have had the pleasure of shooting NATO speced ammo and brass in several cartridges made from several manf in different countries.

Of course, have had the most experience with US milspec stuff from the likes of Lake City, Win/Olin, Fed, and Black Hills/Win. Never tried the Rem stuff but it looked fine in 308.

Can say that overall, the brass is very useable but certainly no effort is made to make it accurate (ranges from great to so-so). Also, the durability was better in some respects to certain brands like Norma but about equal to commercial Win.

Annealing ran the full spectrum from great to so-so. Same goes for flash holes - location, size and shape.

I am presently using Lapua brass in 223 and have shot 308 and 6BR so am familiar with the product. It has its virtues and many find it the best choice.

So am not sure why you say that US commercial hunting brass is not up to snuff. That only Lapua can make a magnum case capable of shooting out of a working gun. In many respects, the hunting brass is better then milspec.

You rarely find off centered flash holes in US manf stuff. I am almost into one edge.

As far as I know, no factory case has ever ruptured in a properly operating firearm on its first bang. And we certainly beat on them through reloading.

That's mil spec enough don't you think???...

Jerry
 
None of the above brass manufacturers are equal to Lapua, but I was referring to Milspec manufacturing. I think the top brasss is Lapua, MEN and RWS. Only Lapua and RUAG make milspec .338LM and there are no other manufacturers making any milspec .338 products.
 
Well, I don't think so.

US Manf now making 338 Lapua Magnum ammo:

Black Hills, Hornady, Nosler, and Rem. I am sure that Winchester/Olin is in there somewhere. Then of course you have to include Sierra for bullets.

Me thinks that any of the manf above would have the ability to make milspec brass.

Component brass is only available from Lapua and Norma but I am sure all the above will be spitting out brass in 2008.

This may very well be the year you see a Rem700 in 338LM. Bottom metal is available!.

Jerry

http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?tabid=3&categoryid=9522&categorystring=653***690***

For reference purposes only...
 
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This is really stupid. Jerry, you are wrong in stating that other than Lapua or RUAG make mil-spec .338 ammo. This is simple. What is your agenda here?
Stating "i don't think so", when you know nothing about mil-specs says volumes.

From a military dealer.
 
Peter, no agenda. Really couldn't care who makes stuff for the Lapua as I see little point in this cartridge for my LR shooting purposes.

However, to suggest that only the Europeans can or will make milspec (ie useable by military forces) is suspect on a common sense level. Of course, no one in the US has paid attention to the 338LM until recently so no one has been making anything at any level. The exception is Sierra but their bullets are used in LR BR circles.

Win, Hornady, Rem, and Black Hills are arguably the largest ammo suppliers to the US and likely much of the western world. I see no reason why any of their ammo would not be allowed to be used by any operational US forces.

Afterall, Black Hills was/is one of the main suppliers for specialty ammo to the US forces. Who made/makes their brass? Me thinks that company starts with a W.

I am most certainly not a military equipment dealer so you are in the know.

But considering this resume from the Black Hills website, maybe things be a changing?

At any rate, the 338LM cartridge is finally getting noticed and will become much more popular. I expect most major US rifle makers will start producing rifles in this cartridge within the next year or two. Certainly anyone that places in the tactical world.

Let's see what SHOT says to that prediction.

Jerry

http://www.black-hills.com/customer.htm
 
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