338 Lapua Optics?

Seems like the NF are the best bang for the buck 'round these parts...

USO/S&B/Zeiss don't garner much popularity; reticule choice aside, maybe the impression is that they're more of a luxury? :confused:



USO, S&B, Zeiss all make good scopes. In comparison, somewhat of a cut above. I have both Nightforce and S&B. The S&B is overbuild (which is nice) and the glass is amazing. Is it worth a G more than a Nightforce,,, well thats a personal choice, if you really like the highend optics and they are within your budget enjoy! Your not going wrong with that purchase. However, a Nightforce is also a tough scope and for the money invested, I would have to say your best product vs money invested.
 
Jerry I DID look at the Sightrons at the SHOT show, that is why we don't sell them, they just are not what I expect from a scope, so would not feel comfortable in promoting them, just like we do not sell Bushnel and many others.
They may be ok scopes for many people, we tend to cater more to the demanding shooters.

Rick, Did you get a chance to use the scope at the dealers range sessions or did you just view it indoors at Sightrons table?

You do realize the NF has been made at the same location that produced the B&L Balvars and Elites?

Let's leave it as we agree to disagree on what makes a good valued scope.

Not so subtle jabs at anothers clientel is pretty poor taste as a few are/were YOUR clients too.

I have and will continue to discuss a product on its merits with a strong limit on personal bias. Seems that style and view is appreciated by a large number of readers on various boards.

And many independent posts reinforce those observations.

I make every effort to keep away from the personal jabs to try and further ones opinion. I think that makes the CGN forum one of the best places to be. Keep away from all that school yard politics.

'nuff said....

Jerry
 
Not so subtle jabs at anothers clientel is pretty poor taste as a few are/were YOUR clients too.

I make every effort to keep away from the personal jabs to try and further ones opinion. I think that makes the CGN forum one of the best places to be. Keep away from all that school yard politics.

'nuff said....

Jerry

I don't post often but check out this forum often.

MP, your comment is par for the course with what I find on ATR comments to your threads. What is up with Gloc-a-maniacs hard-on for you anyways (see a few posts back and numerous other threads). In case you guys at ATR think we don't notice the jabs, we do, and it speaks volumes to your character. We are also taking our business elsewhere because of it.....
 
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Rick, Did you get a chance to use the scope at the dealers range sessions or did you just view it indoors at Sightrons table?

You do realize the NF has been made at the same location that produced the B&L Balvars and Elites?

Let's leave it as we agree to disagree on what makes a good valued scope.

Not so subtle jabs at anothers clientel is pretty poor taste as a few are/were YOUR clients too.

I have and will continue to discuss a product on its merits with a strong limit on personal bias. Seems that style and view is appreciated by a large number of readers on various boards.

And many independent posts reinforce those observations.

I make every effort to keep away from the personal jabs to try and further ones opinion. I think that makes the CGN forum one of the best places to be. Keep away from all that school yard politics.

'nuff said....

Jerry

Jerry NO jab intended. I apologize if you took it that way, it was not my intent at all. We are known for only carrying the high end product lines that many other dealers do not, no jab, just a fact.

I did look through as well as used, during the range day, what Sightron had to offer.
In my opinion I felt that the NightForce scopes were a superior scope, based on side by side comparison, so opted NOT to take on the Sightron line of optics. I did however pursue Premiere, another very high end optic.

The Sightron scopes, just like Bushnel and others have their place, and for those on a budget they can fill the bill.


You are correct , there are not many optical lens makers in the world, so there is a good chance that some of the lens are produced by the same lens supplier, HOWEVER there are different grades and specifications of glass and coatings and to assume that because the lens are made by the same company that they are made to the same specification is an error. To state that the entire scope is made in the same plant is just wholly incorrect.

The DOSS rating of the NF scopes lens is 2.3 maximum, anything that measures higher is rejected by NF, a 2.1 rating is considered optically the best there is. The industry norm on most scopes runs about 4.0 and higher yet on most of the cheap scopes. To be clear I am not suggesting that the Sightron is in that end of the spectrum as I could not find any info posted on the Sightrons DOSS rating.
This of course is only 1 factor, of many. Tube structure and material, erector mechanics and how everything is held together internally also factor in to what makes 1 scope superior to another. As well as what the cost of the scope is.

You are also correct in that everyone has their own opinion as to what is good value, what is good value to some is not necessarily good value to others.

No school yard politics here, sorry if you took it that way.
 
Wasn't Alberta Tactical selling cheap china scopes a few years ago...-

Yes several years ago we took on a line of scopes that were made in China. For the money they were decent scopes, much like Bushnel or Sightron are for the money decent scopes. The manufacturer took a different path after the 1st year of production and decided to go after the volume sales rather than to continue to produce decent optics, so I dropped the line.
They too were not in the same league as NF and were not priced in that league either.
Over the years I have found that dealing with manufacturers like NF and Leupold ends up with a much higher customer satisfaction level, than dealing in products that the manufacturer can or will change on a whim to save or make more $$

Also as my business has evolved I have moved further from the lines carried by the big box stores , preferring to carry or make items that are far more specialized.
 
I don't post often but check out this forum often.

MP, your comment is par for the course with what I find on ATR comments to your threads. What is up with Gloc-a-maniacs hard-on for you anyways (see a few posts back and numerous other threads). In case you guys at ATR think we don't notice the jabs, we do, and it speaks volumes to your character. We are also taking our business elsewhere because of it.....


If you have a problem with me, or my post just ask. I don't beat around the bush when it comes to people being straight forward with me. You may have read in some of my previous posts that, YES, Jerry and I differ on opinion when it comes to sales and because of my history in sales I've found that generally speaking, there are typically 2 types of people. I've sold almost everything big and small in my career. I've sat through the training seminars and listened to the top sellers talk about how they spin a sale and where I have a problem with some people is not so much regarding the product it's how it's marketed and the choice of comparisons.
I think no matter what you sell, be honest about it and compare apples with apples. This is not ment as a jab to Jerry and what he's selling because he has chosen his product and we have chosen ours.

Overall, a lot can be taken our of context and taken the WRONG way when written. That's the problem with forums and I know it's been said before and it never hurts to say again. If anyone on this forum, after talking on the phone with me or in person, still gets the impression that I'm not worth taking the time to listen too, so be it but to my knowledge, I've never sold a product based on mark up over quality and I never plan on.
 
If someone is in need of a Romanian translator I might have one I can loan out...haha. Everyone needs a little Bad Ju Ju. Sorry. Only Rick will get that.



Sorry Peter not today, my understanding is that they have good optics but warranty is a bit sketchy;)
And I don't speak fluent Romanian, which I understand could be a benefit:evil:
 
Wow Brian46 look what you started?? lol

And its good to see guys like Rick and Jerry who sell a product they have intimate knowledge with, use personally, and stand behind so strongly. I would have no issue buying anything from either dealer.

(Even though I cant afford any of the goodies Rick sells. :D)
 
Yes, I am sorry for starting such a heated debate..... on another note, how many pennies do I have to save for one of those Swiss 50's that ATR sells?
 
Yes, I am sorry for starting such a heated debate..... on another note, how many pennies do I have to save for one of those Swiss 50's that ATR sells?

Brian I do not think you started any heated debate and would not worry about it. The problem with text especially on forums is that it can be interpreted in many ways by those who read it.
I know Jerry personally and respect him greatly, he has an incredible depth of knowledge and I believe he like I have on other occasions interpreted a post not in the manner it was intended.
To try and glea some useful information from forums such as this is the whole point of them, there are going to differing opinions and the occasional misunderstanding, but we all get over it for the most part.

I think I am 1 of the best examples of us all getting over it, having been banned from this very forum years ago, and all parties involved except 1 who was also banned , have gotten past the incidents and have moved forward in a productive manner.
As for the AMSD 50s $14975.00 is current price.:50cal:
 
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