.356 Winchester

H4831 said:
There are too many types of cartridges out there. The manufacturers create them to make money and the magazine writers are given a free rifle to sing their praises. Sure, the necked up 30-30 class are good calibres, but somebody please tell me why they are any better than a 35 Remington in a Marlin 336. For that matter, show me a deer that wouldn't be just as dead, whether hit well with a 356, or a 30-30.
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There are no necked up 30-30 class,the 30/30 is a necked down original 38-55!

Get your stories right!

Bob
 
Kilo Charlie said:
That fickle public would be us. Often the manufacturers create cartridges we think we'd like, and then we as hunters and shooters don't buy it. We "wait to see if it catches on" or we listen when someone tells us it's impractical because "What if you're out in the middle of nowhere and forget your ammo? Ya can't get it in every general store."
This attitude has helped put the boots to the .307, .356, .375 Win, .358 Win, and has slowed the popularity of the .260 Rem. I'm as bad as the rest; I always meant to get myself a 336ER in .356 and just never got to it. The delay of myself and thousands of others killed a great cartridge.
Back to the thread...Winchester does still load this cartridge, but dropped the 250 grain load years back; 200 grains only now.
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Some of us dumb bastages still bought the .375 Win and reload for it!

Bob
 
Having thought this through, I would base this beast on a .444 action. Yes I've heard all the yellin' in the 'states from those who have punched .35 Remingtons to .356Win and think that they're safe (they ain't by the way).

What do you base that on? The .444 and the .35, and the 45-70 all use the same reciever. Only the .450 marlin has a different reciever, and it only differs in the fact that it has v threads and all the others have square threads.
 
I didn't really ask my question properly. I guess the point I was trying to clarify is that if you hand-load, at least with the 307 you can use the 160 gr. available in the 30-30. IMO, this would really make the 307 an option to the 308 for those of us who really like the lines and overall look of the 94.

Hopefully they expand the offering to include the 356.
 
I have a Winchester big bore in 356 and will never part with it. For one reason; I used it to kill a cougar as it was about 5' from my then 9 year old son. Another reason is that it is great to carry, which is why it was there when I needed it that day. It is also a great cartridge for deer, black bear, etc.
 
The reason the .356 is on the brink is because people want bolt action rifles with big scopes and wsms that fire TSX bullets, they have bought into what the gun magazines are preaching. I am in the bus. and see it every day at the store. Show a new shooter a Marlin in say .356 and they don't know what it is or why, but they do know that they want a WSSM with a 4-12 power scope, sometimes I tell them that the av. shot on game is 100 yds., dosn't seem to matter!
 
I have the .356BB, as well as the .307,.375 and .444, all 94BB's. The .356 is the gun that usually gets the nod when it's time to get serious about killin deer. It's one of those guns you really have to own, shoot and handload for to really understand the beauty of it. I shoot 180gr Speers in mine, at around 2700fps, though I can go a bit more, with max book loads. Groups go close to an inch at 100yds, and the 220gr Speer is even more accuratte for me, though I find it a bit tough for whitetails. I haven't bought ammo for it in years, brass isn't hard to find if you look around a bit. Mine wears a 1.5x4.5 scope, and is a very pleasent,quick handling package to carry. With the accuracy and velocity of this rifle/cartridge combo, it's more than just a bush gun. My .307 is even more accuratte, shooting consistent 1" with 150gr Sierra's ,and the .444 will put 3 Hornady 265LM's in a tight overlapping cloverleaf, inside an inch. The .375 I'm not sure yet, as it has peep sights on it, which I'm still learning on, but I expect good things there as well. If you can get one of these guns, I'd highly recommend you do so.
 
Just thought I'd add that I used to have a 2x7 Leupold on my winchester big bore in 356 but took it off and went with the open sights. I soon found that my eyes had changed, I have great long range vision but need reading glasses and the rear sight was too fuzzy to line up with the front sight. I then found a peep sight that fits and all is good. I think I'll take it mulie hunting, open for 4 point or better. It is nice to have a scope to make a last count on the tines but if I sit with my binoculars it should work out.
 
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