.357 magnum
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Ardent
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Buddy, get your license first, you will learn much there, including how handguns in Canada can only be used to shoot targets, and only at an approved and registered shooting range. You need a piece of paper called an Authorization To Transport (ATT), and this allows you only to move the handgun from your safe to a designated shooting range, where from you must promptly return it to the safe. The entire time in transit your handgun must be in a locked and secure container, accompanied by the ATT, and can only come out at the range. Of course, you also require a restricted firearms license first.
Get caught with your handgun just once off the route to your range, or attempting to shoot it elsewhere than an approved shooting range, and you will likely lose your privelege to own firearms, and also likely lose your ability to own and shoot handguns for life. In all honesty, judgding by your posts, you're simply young and new to things and shouldn't be acquiring any for a very long time until you've matured a good deal. Guns aren't any special power or anything, they can be good recreation however, as long as you use them responsibly and safely. At the moment, you most definitely are approaching them the wrong way, as they do demand respect and reverence for the responsibility of owning and shooting them. You've got a long ways to go, perhaps one day you'll come around and see them more appropriately.
I referred to the way he posed his question, I didn't say there's no place for a .357, or .44 Magnum etc. I shoot a 10mm Auto, a .40 S&W punches the exact same holes in the same target, but I prefer shooting the more powerful 10mm for the challenge. There's every reason for a law abiding target shooter to own any caliber of handgun that interests him/her, but not when "stopping power" and armour piercing rounds info is being requested contemporaneously.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Somebody wants to feel like an internet man I see. Well that's fantastic 'lil buddy, I hope it works out for you. No, you weren't quoting me, you were merely making a ignorant comment essentially advocating the sale of only lower power firearms because they punch the same holes in paper. I clarified that this viewpoint is asinine, and while you didn't quote me, I certainly directed my comment at you, as you made the juvenile statement. You basically took the polar opposite extreme that our thread starter did, one wants power, and one thinks nobody should have it. I made my comment more polite that I have been directing at the OP, but there's little need for that now I see.
Good luck with your internet tough guy act, please feel free to slag again if it makes you feel better. We love you guys around here... 5 months in and full of attitude. A fine start, nice.
...how on earth did you "complete" the restricted course without knowing you couldn't hunt with a handgun in Canada?
80% passing score?
Teacher gave answers to test?
My instructor told me he only ever failed 4 people out of over 4000. He hoped those 4 never ever got near a firearm again in their lives.
Aliceminer, if you are legitimate about your interest in legal firearm ownership, please read at least 30 minutes worth of posts, between making your own. Some of the questions you ask are downright scary, especially considering you claim to have already taken the PAL course.
Someone with your knowledge passed the exam? This is why im in favour of higher requirments to get your licence. Including a mandatory, live range test. I think education and a high bar to get your licence is neccesary and this is a shining example. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for greater gun control, just for more education.
Start by reading everything you can on this site. The stickies at the top of each forum are excellent. If you want to hunt you can find your province's hunting regs online. How did you pass without knowing about ATTs and the fact you cannot use a handgun except at a CFO approved range?
I personally found the restricted test to be a heck of a lot easier then the non-restricted. I actually just challenged the test for the heck of it because of how simple it was. I will most likely never own a restricted weapon in the near future because of the regulations (mostly because gravel pits are not reconized as fireing ranges lol), but goes to show you can get a restricted license without taking the course and Pal certificate in no way means you should actually own a fire arm. I'm glad hand guns are regulated in that way because they are worthless unless you target shoot, so only at a range is where they belong. and I'm hopeing this fellow is just in a youthfull state of mind, excited about getting his pal and just simply wanting to do nothing but talk about "gunz". This sight is for gun nuts right? but Aliceminer, it scares people when you ask to about stoping power and armour piercing bullets, that is not cool and hopefully you do not intend to use anything in an unlawful manor.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
This keeps getting better... handguns have their place, outside of shooting ranges, but it's not with a cylinder full of "armour piercing .357" rounds, or with the mall ninja or anti-zombie fantasy crowd. Many of us who don't live in cities can certainly appreciate that there are many furry things with claws and teeth that would like to eat us given the opportunity, and carrying a rifle everywhere is not practical. It's too easy to put down beside you as well where as a handgun's always on your hip. My profession allows me to apply for an ATC, a permit allowing one to carry a loaded pistol in the course of one's duties in the wilderness. Many Canadians forget there's life outside the concrete jungle, and that it's out here where the majority of the real money is made that supports Canada.
You make a good point! I didn't realise you could apply for a permit. I do a lot of canoe/protage trips into very remote areas and I would love to have a hand gun with me. Easier to pack amoung being a lot lighter aswell as it is easy to keep on you. We bring rifles instead and 7lbs of rifle might not seam like a lot, but it gets heavy quick. Unfortunatly I don't think that would qualify for that permit lol! Where I go, you would never encounter anyone, but it is still not worth getting caught with one off route to your range. and yea, I hate those zombies to! thanks for the heads up.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
No, not at all. Armour piercing ammunition is expressly designed through nose contour, velocity/bullet weight combination, and/or bullet construction (such as a steel or tungsten core) to pierce armour. There is a ton of variation between different designs depending what armour a given round is intended to be used against as well.
FMJ, is not expressly designed to pierce armour at all, but rather initially originated as a cost effective, field durable Hague convention legal round. The fact that some ammunition in some calibers is capable of piercing "armour", a terribly vague term, does not make it by definition "Armour piercing" as that was not the function of its design, only a byproduct. Just because a Toyota Tundra pickup can do 240 kms/h does not mean it's a "high performance car".
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Ardent what do you do for a living. I am looking for a new job. LOL
