Just got back from a hunt with my 700CDL in 35 Whelen. To say that it kills with authority would be an understatement! Moose and Muley buck hit the dirt where they stood when clobbered by that 225 Partition at 2700+. Moose was 165 yards, deer about 40 yards [5x5 muley] Moose was broadside, thumped him in the boilerroom, muley facing almost straight away, so I shot him in the lower neck. Recovered the 225 from the moose out of the dirt bank behind him. Looks impressive! Those big bullets just have so much persuasion. What's not to like? Regards, Eagleye.
358 Winchester or the 35 Whelen ???
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Had a .358, have a Whelen and wouldn't hesitate to go for a .350 Rem. Mag
in the Mod. 7 CDL if I were looking for a "mountain" type rifle.
Apples, oranges, plums & pears ... what's it matter. If you want a short light rifle, the Model 7 can do it with the minimum amount of fuss. For primarily short range, I'd put on a Leupold VX-II in 1-4, or, for a little more open country, a 2-7 with the long range reticle. Nice, trim, relatively compact scopes that would compliment the rifle.
Precious little difference in "on-game" performance when any of the 3 are hand-loaded with good 250 grain bullets.
in the Mod. 7 CDL if I were looking for a "mountain" type rifle.
Apples, oranges, plums & pears ... what's it matter. If you want a short light rifle, the Model 7 can do it with the minimum amount of fuss. For primarily short range, I'd put on a Leupold VX-II in 1-4, or, for a little more open country, a 2-7 with the long range reticle. Nice, trim, relatively compact scopes that would compliment the rifle.
Precious little difference in "on-game" performance when any of the 3 are hand-loaded with good 250 grain bullets.
I gotta' git' me one of these! I know, I know...I was all set to buy the BLR in .358 awhile back - but then I stumbled onto a .375 H&H M70. In fact, I'm taking it out hunting this weekend for Deer and Moose.
But I still really want a .35...I think it's llikely going to be a 700 CDL in .35 Whelen for me.
Jeff/1911.
But I still really want a .35...I think it's llikely going to be a 700 CDL in .35 Whelen for me.
Jeff/1911.
Jeff/1911 said:
You mean "again", right?
I was able to break in my new Ruger 350RM on my mule deer LEH (doe) last week. I really like the 35's...no tracking and minimal meat damage. Unfortunately, the moose did not cooperate, so I will have to try next year.
Yes, Stanway - you are correct!stanway said:You mean "again", right?
I was able to break in my new Ruger 350RM on my mule deer LEH (doe) last week. I really like the 35's...no tracking and minimal meat damage. Unfortunately, the moose did not cooperate, so I will have to try next year.
I loved that Ruger, not sure how I let it go... Buy hey, that's life as a gunnut, isn't it? Congratulations on your Muley! Jeff.
A-zone said:Why not get both?
The way I see it, how can you have a 30-06 and not have a .308 ???
Same goes for the .35 Whelen and the .358.
I would have to agree. I have a 358win and a 350 Rem Mag and love them both.
Took a friend of mine from down South to the range yesterday, just before supper. He wanted to shoot a few rifles.
Set up all the sillouhettes and started off with a 243 Stevens. Dead on hold on the chickens, "Bye, by birdies."
Went on to a little 7X57, two chickens were easy. Next two shots were on the pigs, top of the back hold, and they were gone. "Man, this thing really shoots!"
.......and then my old 300 H&H. He shot it all the way out to the rams. "Hey, this old rifle is allright!!!"
Pretty pumped up by the time he got behind the Husqvarna 358 Norma Mag. Three 250 gr spitzers at 2800 fps cleaned a chicken and two pigs, one right after another. "MY GOODNESS! I never knew a 35 could shoot that flat!"
He handed the rifle to me and asked how it shot at really long range. I whacked a turkey with a bit more than top of the head hold and then a ram with about three feet over on the next two shots.............."Hmmm, I could make one of those on my 7mm mag."
Houston, we have contact.........................
Set up all the sillouhettes and started off with a 243 Stevens. Dead on hold on the chickens, "Bye, by birdies."
Went on to a little 7X57, two chickens were easy. Next two shots were on the pigs, top of the back hold, and they were gone. "Man, this thing really shoots!"
.......and then my old 300 H&H. He shot it all the way out to the rams. "Hey, this old rifle is allright!!!"
Pretty pumped up by the time he got behind the Husqvarna 358 Norma Mag. Three 250 gr spitzers at 2800 fps cleaned a chicken and two pigs, one right after another. "MY GOODNESS! I never knew a 35 could shoot that flat!"
He handed the rifle to me and asked how it shot at really long range. I whacked a turkey with a bit more than top of the head hold and then a ram with about three feet over on the next two shots.............."Hmmm, I could make one of those on my 7mm mag."
Houston, we have contact.........................
Why not? said:Pretty pumped up by the time he got behind the Husqvarna 358 Norma Mag. Three 250 gr spitzers at 2800 fps cleaned a chicken and two pigs, one right after another. "MY GOODNESS! I never knew a 35 could shoot that flat!"
He handed the rifle to me and asked how it shot at really long range. I whacked a turkey with a bit more than top of the head hold and then a ram with about three feet over on the next two shots.............."Hmmm, I could make one of those on my 7mm mag."
Houston, we have contact.........................
Ted, that sounds familiar! Not long ago I was with a friend who was playing with his new M77 300 Win with a Bushnell 5-15X scope. Tickled pink, he was. It almost wasn't fair when I asked if he wanted to try out my 8 1/4 pound Norma with the 1.75-6X scope. The 225 grain bullets at 2900 were shooting as flat as his 180 Hornady factory loads (duh!) and they were a whole lot more impressive on the steel gongs. Oh yeah, he didn't think it kicked any harder than his 300 Win either...
Amazes me...the Whelen has this cult following but the Norma is forgotten. Until people actually try one that is!
Tomorrow I'll be carrying it after moose with 250 grain North Forks loaded at 2810 fps. I'm comfortable shooting that load to 400 yards (-23") and think it just may do the job on any moose I see.
....and, you can get fresh factory Norma ammo again!
I like to shoot 180gr TMJ pistol bullets out of my Normas. Has all sorts of entertainment value, and is cheap to boot. Trigger time is trigger time.
Of course, now that we are this far, why not go up another 8 thou to the 9.3X62 and all of its family. Serious sized byllets are just so much more fun than the little skittish guys. I like the idea of bumble bee sized bullets boring through moose!
I like to shoot 180gr TMJ pistol bullets out of my Normas. Has all sorts of entertainment value, and is cheap to boot. Trigger time is trigger time.
Of course, now that we are this far, why not go up another 8 thou to the 9.3X62 and all of its family. Serious sized byllets are just so much more fun than the little skittish guys. I like the idea of bumble bee sized bullets boring through moose!
358 Winchester or the 35 Whelen ???
good question.....afer having been exposed to a couple Whelens...and a 350 Rem Mag years ago...and now "cccan"'s new 358 Winny...I think the 350 Rem Mag may be the best of both.....35 Whelen performance in a short action with a 22" barrel.....I briefly owned a factory 22" Ruger M77 350 Mag this past summer....250's at 2600 wasn't a problem...so that's my next project..picked up a previously owned but like new Rem 700 BDL stainless in 300SAUM yesterday from WSS....have stainless 35 cal tube coming from Bevan very soon....it'll be .625" at the muzzle, cut at 22" and bedded into an LVSF stock with the BDL bottom metal....it should come in at around 7-1/2 lbs with a 2.5-8X Leupold on top....hope to have it ready for carrying this year...
good question.....afer having been exposed to a couple Whelens...and a 350 Rem Mag years ago...and now "cccan"'s new 358 Winny...I think the 350 Rem Mag may be the best of both.....35 Whelen performance in a short action with a 22" barrel.....I briefly owned a factory 22" Ruger M77 350 Mag this past summer....250's at 2600 wasn't a problem...so that's my next project..picked up a previously owned but like new Rem 700 BDL stainless in 300SAUM yesterday from WSS....have stainless 35 cal tube coming from Bevan very soon....it'll be .625" at the muzzle, cut at 22" and bedded into an LVSF stock with the BDL bottom metal....it should come in at around 7-1/2 lbs with a 2.5-8X Leupold on top....hope to have it ready for carrying this year...
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35's
I have been playing with 35's for over two decades now. First up was a 358 Win and a delightful little thumper it was. Recoil in a 7 pound rifle was fairly mild and hitting power good. Unfortunately when I moved to Nunavut I had problems at long range. The rifle was subMOA accurate and I could make hits to 300 yards but the stout spitzers didn't expand really well unless I red-lined the cartridge. It was a fantastic Arctic hare gun believe it or not being a quite bit less destructive than smaller faster bores. Some of the loads people report using in this little round are definately high pressure! Factory normal pressure loads gave me no more than 2400ft/sec with 225 grain bullets in the 20" barrel.
This took me to the 350 Rem Mag and the extra 200ft/sec made a good difference in long range hitting power. The 350 shoots about as flat as the 308 Win but with 25%-30% more bullet weight. Very good cartridge and the kick with the 225 grain bullets is not so bad. Seems to me the 225 Nosler partition at 2600+ is the all-round choice for this original short mag.
When I moved down to the NWT I saw the size of Moose and figured that past 200 yards I'd like more thump than the 350 Rem Mag delivers. I moved up to the Norma and it will do at 300 yards what the 350 will do at 150 or so. An extra 200-300ft/sec over the Rem Mag depending on bullet weight definately puts this baby in a different class.
I have two Norma's a 7 pound Ruger that is magna-ported but still kicks like a mule. Did some load testing this weekend and groups from it and the best load went .85MOA (250 Nosler Partitions-2750ft/sec) and the worst 1.6MOA (250 GrandSlams). The 22" Ruger barrel copper fouls like a bugger and needs to be cleaned often but it shoots and carries well. Prone is a bugger but the decellerator pad helps a lot and sitting it's a pretty easy gun to control. 20 rounds is my limit for a range session and I need 3-4 days to let my shoulder heal. However when hunting you never notice a thing.
From the vehicle or other conveyance I like my Douglas Barrelled Sako. It is a 9.5 pounder with scope and the 25" Douglas Premium Barrel has made honest 0.5 MOA groups with the right bullets (250 Speers or Noslers). It gets 100ft/sec more than the Ruger and the faster 14" twist and longer magazine box lets 275 grain Barnes Spitzers (I have about 300 left) at 2700ft/sec hit like a truck and shoot inch groups while doing so. Basically a 375H&H in a different guize.
You can't go wrong with the 35. The bullets range from 150 Core-Lockts to 300 grain Barnes O's (if you can find them-I won't sell mine ) pretty much covers the range from antelope to elephant. It's definately at it's best balance in the Norma but the smaller versions are useful too. Even the 35 Rem has a place.
That 358 STA is a scary monster though.
For bullet choices go see http://www.35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.html
This is an article that both Ted and Rick gave me a hand with a while ago. Since then I have stumbled on to a bunch of 275 Barnes Originals and they perform very very well. I'll rewrite it when I have downed a few moose.
I have been playing with 35's for over two decades now. First up was a 358 Win and a delightful little thumper it was. Recoil in a 7 pound rifle was fairly mild and hitting power good. Unfortunately when I moved to Nunavut I had problems at long range. The rifle was subMOA accurate and I could make hits to 300 yards but the stout spitzers didn't expand really well unless I red-lined the cartridge. It was a fantastic Arctic hare gun believe it or not being a quite bit less destructive than smaller faster bores. Some of the loads people report using in this little round are definately high pressure! Factory normal pressure loads gave me no more than 2400ft/sec with 225 grain bullets in the 20" barrel.
This took me to the 350 Rem Mag and the extra 200ft/sec made a good difference in long range hitting power. The 350 shoots about as flat as the 308 Win but with 25%-30% more bullet weight. Very good cartridge and the kick with the 225 grain bullets is not so bad. Seems to me the 225 Nosler partition at 2600+ is the all-round choice for this original short mag.
When I moved down to the NWT I saw the size of Moose and figured that past 200 yards I'd like more thump than the 350 Rem Mag delivers. I moved up to the Norma and it will do at 300 yards what the 350 will do at 150 or so. An extra 200-300ft/sec over the Rem Mag depending on bullet weight definately puts this baby in a different class.
I have two Norma's a 7 pound Ruger that is magna-ported but still kicks like a mule. Did some load testing this weekend and groups from it and the best load went .85MOA (250 Nosler Partitions-2750ft/sec) and the worst 1.6MOA (250 GrandSlams). The 22" Ruger barrel copper fouls like a bugger and needs to be cleaned often but it shoots and carries well. Prone is a bugger but the decellerator pad helps a lot and sitting it's a pretty easy gun to control. 20 rounds is my limit for a range session and I need 3-4 days to let my shoulder heal. However when hunting you never notice a thing.
From the vehicle or other conveyance I like my Douglas Barrelled Sako. It is a 9.5 pounder with scope and the 25" Douglas Premium Barrel has made honest 0.5 MOA groups with the right bullets (250 Speers or Noslers). It gets 100ft/sec more than the Ruger and the faster 14" twist and longer magazine box lets 275 grain Barnes Spitzers (I have about 300 left) at 2700ft/sec hit like a truck and shoot inch groups while doing so. Basically a 375H&H in a different guize.
You can't go wrong with the 35. The bullets range from 150 Core-Lockts to 300 grain Barnes O's (if you can find them-I won't sell mine ) pretty much covers the range from antelope to elephant. It's definately at it's best balance in the Norma but the smaller versions are useful too. Even the 35 Rem has a place.
That 358 STA is a scary monster though.
For bullet choices go see http://www.35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.html
This is an article that both Ted and Rick gave me a hand with a while ago. Since then I have stumbled on to a bunch of 275 Barnes Originals and they perform very very well. I'll rewrite it when I have downed a few moose.
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.358 Winchester
Hi, I've owned the 35 Whelen (sold it), but am currently having a .358 Winchester made from a Remington 788. Hopefully my Gunsmith (R. Smith) will be done it soon... I can't wait
The 35 Whelen was a lot of fun, but I've since prefered the short action cartridges. The only long cartridge I have left is my 8mm Rem Magnum.
The only problem with the .358 Win, unless your reloading, is finding factory ammo.
Arch
Hi, I've owned the 35 Whelen (sold it), but am currently having a .358 Winchester made from a Remington 788. Hopefully my Gunsmith (R. Smith) will be done it soon... I can't wait
The 35 Whelen was a lot of fun, but I've since prefered the short action cartridges. The only long cartridge I have left is my 8mm Rem Magnum.
The only problem with the .358 Win, unless your reloading, is finding factory ammo.
Arch
