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358 Winchester
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Yes Sir Everything is dependent on things But I was just speaking in general . I have 2 30-06 rifles that with the same load have about the same felt recoil ( 165-180 ) to me and both are more then my only BLR 358 was . (200-225 )
My 338 Fed (185-210) feels about the same as the 358 did . JMO RJ
I'm on my way back from the range... sent off 300 rounds, 50 were 200 grain .358 and 50 were 180 grain .30/06... no discernable difference in felt recoil... there was some difference when I switched to 500 grain loads in the .458 Lott... and on the other end, when I dropped down to .223... had to keep checking the .223 to see if it had gone off. Lol.
lol the BIG 458 Lott is a LOTT of cartridge ! I don’t enjoy recoil anymore so I got and getting rid of all BOOMERS ! I’m pretty WOSSY now . RJ
nowarningshot
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For many years I golfed, obsessively. 300 rounds a year, 4 handicap. Slices, hooks and short game. Always fighting something, ebbs and Flo.
Reminds me of firearms, hunting; although they're not the same thing. Back 25 years ago, we were obsessed with giant grains of powder pushing Max weight bullets to long range. Now it's fast twist and low recoil combined with range finders. So slice vs hook, sabre vs claymore.
More and more I believe it's bullet construction for hunting. Can't really comment on terminal performance of a target bullet at 700 yards. I'm sure the paper screams, dies well.
Built it up well, time to get to the point. There's a sweet spot, between the 600 shots/barrel ...burners, and the powder puff fast spin. Its in that 2500-2900 ft/sec launch speed, bullet matched to game weight, bullet hardness matched to terminal performance.
There's just some calibers/bullets and their loads that seem matched to that. Say 308 win/180 at tree stand, 270/130 flat base/ open country deer. One could pick a few others. One would definitely be 35 cal, 23-2700, cup n core 200gr and sub 200yds. Peas n carrots, 8 iron from 150, liver with bacon/onions.
Reminds me of firearms, hunting; although they're not the same thing. Back 25 years ago, we were obsessed with giant grains of powder pushing Max weight bullets to long range. Now it's fast twist and low recoil combined with range finders. So slice vs hook, sabre vs claymore.
More and more I believe it's bullet construction for hunting. Can't really comment on terminal performance of a target bullet at 700 yards. I'm sure the paper screams, dies well.
Built it up well, time to get to the point. There's a sweet spot, between the 600 shots/barrel ...burners, and the powder puff fast spin. Its in that 2500-2900 ft/sec launch speed, bullet matched to game weight, bullet hardness matched to terminal performance.
There's just some calibers/bullets and their loads that seem matched to that. Say 308 win/180 at tree stand, 270/130 flat base/ open country deer. One could pick a few others. One would definitely be 35 cal, 23-2700, cup n core 200gr and sub 200yds. Peas n carrots, 8 iron from 150, liver with bacon/onions.
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Ardent
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Put this in the Alaska rifles thread, so this is fresh in my mind and belongs here. Hoyt came out here to the BC coast with a .358 a few times guiding.
I have a .375 habit that will always keep me away. But .35’s to me are like your college girlfriend’s sister. You wonder.
I have a .375 habit that will always keep me away. But .35’s to me are like your college girlfriend’s sister. You wonder.
Ardent
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There is nothing wrong with the 9.3x57 esp when is it's in the same company as the 358Winchester. They both do a good job at what they were meant to do. Nothing more. nothing less.They touted it being like a .366 Wagner, lol 9.3x57...Fantasie calibre, lol...
The irony is strong in some.
Ardent
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riverrest’s current CGN existence is stumbling around here scoffing at things it’s clear he doesn’t understand. I feel bad for him and hope that changes, in the meantime it’s best to ignore him til he cheers up.
The pre mil Savage 99 in 358 is probably the only rifle in that chambering that interests me. I'd get it if the needs/wants/budget Venn Diagram worked out. Having used the 8x56R, 8x57, 9.3x57 which overlap it I'm sure it would work just fine for most hunting and I like the older Savages.
Bullets may be a challenge these day but brass is about as easy as it gets.
Bullets may be a challenge these day but brass is about as easy as it gets.
Friend of mine (and a member here) is just going thru the motions of building a 358Win. I wasn’t too savvy on the 358W so when i started searching about it the 338 Federal came up as a viable option.
Both are SA’s, both are relatively used in shorter barrels. I see more avail 338 projectiles over the 35’s, the Federal has less recoil (if that matters to one).
So honest question, where and how does the 338 Fed relate to the 358 Win? Or did I just basically answer my own question/s in a round bout way?
Both are SA’s, both are relatively used in shorter barrels. I see more avail 338 projectiles over the 35’s, the Federal has less recoil (if that matters to one).
So honest question, where and how does the 338 Fed relate to the 358 Win? Or did I just basically answer my own question/s in a round bout way?
Ardent
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Personally I think go one way or the other, .308 or .358, embrace the efficiency and heavier bullets of the .358, or the trajectory and availability of the .308. No question the Fed will work admirably as a hunting cartridge, but I find it offers less justification for its existence over a heavy bullet .308 load than the .358 does.
The main reason being .35 bullets are stubbier than .338 bullets for the max weights a .308 volume case can push, so they suit short action magazine constraints better than .338 bullets. .338 bullet options are longer and more streamlined, which I’d generally say is a good thing, except in a short action mag. This limits you to light .338 bullets, which to me offer very little over heavy .308 bullets.
We’re talking minutia, but I have an easier time justifying a .358 as it’s a step further from the .308 parent, enough to exhibit some different qualities.
The main reason being .35 bullets are stubbier than .338 bullets for the max weights a .308 volume case can push, so they suit short action magazine constraints better than .338 bullets. .338 bullet options are longer and more streamlined, which I’d generally say is a good thing, except in a short action mag. This limits you to light .338 bullets, which to me offer very little over heavy .308 bullets.
We’re talking minutia, but I have an easier time justifying a .358 as it’s a step further from the .308 parent, enough to exhibit some different qualities.
I've owned both, the 338-08 back when it was a wildcat. As you state more bullet choices. 358 makes bigger holes, just slightly faster for any bullet weight. There isn't much difference. If I bought another it would be a 99 just because I like the rifles. My 338-08 was a good shooter, but didn't do anything the the 358 didn't do, except make slightly smaller holes. - dan
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Go one step over .358 to .375 Raptor and get a well rounded, short action rifle done up to suit yer fancy.
Ardent
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Have one better for my purposes, .375 Kemano it’s a .375 Whelen improved with a short neck. You fireform brass by firing a .30-06 round in the chamber, as the shoulder is in the same position as the -06. Works like a hot damn, 260 Accubond at 2550, and fits long .375 bullets in a standard mag. Something I struggled to make work with the Whelen.
