360 Buckhammer

Doesn't do anything for me with our laws here but I think its great for our southern friends with straight wall being legal in some states. Should be a great short range deer round. Would make great use out of a old warn out 30-30 or 38-55 leaver gun, swapping barrels out or getting a reboar. Might bring more bullet selection to the guys shooting 358 win.

My brother in Ohio built a Rem 600 350 legend from a wore out .222 to hunt in the "shotgun" hunt with the new laws. It's a sweet gun and shoots great, even his kids have taken deer with it.

Guess the name fits the bill with the trend of catchy kind of names, Legend, CM, Bushmaster etc. taking off.
 
bcsteve said:
A rimmed cartridge, really? That limits the options. Remington doesn't even have a lever or single shot rifle currently. Weird!?
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Is Remington the ammo company and Remington the gun company even under the same ownership at this point?

It's an interesting cartridge. Always wanted a 35rem, so assuming the claimed velocities are legit (180gr@ 2375, 200gr@ 2195) I'd be interesting in playing around with this.
 
I'm not familiar with the details of the "straight-wall" cartridge restrictions in some areas. Are there cartridge- or case-length restrictions built into those new regs?

For my purposes, I have never been able to figure out a need for a .30-30 that would not be filled as well, and more enjoyably, with a .45-70. I tend to feel the same way about this cartridge; I'd probably be much more interested in a .375Buckhammer...but then I'd wonder why it wasn't just a .375Win...but then again, there might be a length restriction in play?

Will it be possible to build a rifle...lever or single-shot...around this cartridge that will be significantly lighter in weight than a .45-70? Not talking about 2 or 3 ounces lighter, I mean much lighter? And will any manufacturer do that? A Henry Featherweight single-shot might be interesting...
 
jjohnwm said:
I'm not familiar with the details of the "straight-wall" cartridge restrictions in some areas. Are there cartridge- or case-length restrictions built into those new regs?

For my purposes, I have never been able to figure out a need for a .30-30 that would not be filled as well, and more enjoyably, with a .45-70. I tend to feel the same way about this cartridge; I'd probably be much more interested in a .375Buckhammer...but then I'd wonder why it wasn't just a .375Win...but then again, there might be a length restriction in play?

Will it be possible to build a rifle...lever or single-shot...around this cartridge that will be significantly lighter in weight than a .45-70? Not talking about 2 or 3 ounces lighter, I mean much lighter? And will any manufacturer do that? A Henry Featherweight single-shot might be interesting...
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Case length max of 1.8"
 
bcsteve said:
Case length max of 1.8"
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Ah! Okay, so that disqualifies the .45-70, the .375Win and others...maybe it's time for a .45-50? Simply shortening an existing straight-wall rifle cartridge to the maximum legal length under the new regs seems simple enough...but apparently not "new" enough.

Time for the .458WSSSWLMW Express! Winchester Super Short Straight Wall Light Magnum Whizbang Express...
 
"Will it be possible to build a rifle...lever or single-shot...around this cartridge that will be significantly lighter in weight than a .45-70? Not talking about 2 or 3 ounces lighter, I mean much lighter? And will any manufacturer do that? A Henry Featherweight single-shot might be interesting..."

I can see CVA doing their lightweight Scout single shot in 360, they already have the 350 Legend - one came to my door last week, very light.
 
jjohnwm said:
Ah! Okay, so that disqualifies the .45-70, the .375Win and others...maybe it's time for a .45-50? Simply shortening an existing straight-wall rifle cartridge to the maximum legal length under the new regs seems simple enough...but apparently not "new" enough.

Time for the .458WSSSWLMW Express! Winchester Super Short Straight Wall Light Magnum Whizbang Express...
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45-70 is legal in some states, but not all of them. If its no bigger than 1.8" case length then its legal in all states that allow straight wall rifle cartridges.

A cut back 45-70 would be interesting...
 
These are pics from the article for the Guns and Ammo new edition.
 

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SuperCub said:
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Is that picture provided for marketing purposes in favour of the 360 Buckhammer?

I ask because it shows the base diameter (and hence case capacity) of the 360 Buckhammer as being considerably larger than the 35 Remington (and even the 30-30 upon which it is based), when in fact the opposite is true.

Looks like the old "place it in front of the others so it looks bigger" trick. "Guns and Ammo" Magazine knows the trick, and also knows better.

Caveat Emptor....
 
I dunno, it doesn't really look bigger to me upon close examination; of course, the new cartridge is a shiny, clean gold-coloured exemplar set amongst a collection of skanky old brass cartridges that were sitting on the floor in someone's basement for a few decades...:)
 
hoytcanon said:
Not being bound by "straight wall" constraints, the .358 Winchester is better at every level.
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Not poopooing on a new cartridge either but thats my view as well but to make it an even closer comparison I'll say the .35 Rem. Maybe there's a bigger market for lever action and single shots in those regions then I thought.
 
bcsteve said:
Not poopooing on a new cartridge either but thats my view as well but to make it an even closer comparison I'll say the .35 Rem. Maybe there's a bigger market for lever action and single shots in those regions then I thought.
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The market down there is huge... any one of those states has more hunters than Canada... but the 360 Buckhammer, like the .350 Legend ONLY makes sense in those straight-wall cartridge zones. These cartridges make no sense in Canada. If someone just wants to try them out, I am all for that... just don't feel the need to justify them up here.
 
hoytcanon said:
The market down there is huge... any one of those states has more hunters than Canada... but the 360 Buckhammer, like the .350 Legend ONLY makes sense in those straight-wall cartridge zones. These cartridges make no sense in Canada. If someone just wants to try them out, I am all for that... just don't feel the need to justify them up here.
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I agree. Not much practical use here in Canada, but I think it's a well designed cartridge for what and where it is marketed to be used.
 
I'm all for a new .358" cartridge even if I have no use for it. Whatever the Whelen can't deal with the STA most certainly can.

shotcup said:
I can see CVA doing their lightweight Scout single shot in 360, they already have the 350 Legend - one came to my door last week, very light.
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Ok, this might get me interested...
 
That's the practical niche for this type of cartridge up here; a double or singleshot. Certainly, the .358Win or .35Rem are "better"...but they're rimmed, so using them in those actions is just "wrong" to a hide-bound traditionalist, which I say with no disrespect intended because I am firmly in that camp.

But if we are going to talk about practicality, we will be trimming not only this cartridge, but likely 75% of other existing cartridges. If periodically introducing useless/irrelevant/over-specialized/redundant new cartridge designs is going to keep manufacturers profitable and in business, bring it on! Like all of us, I have fallen for many marketing schemes in the past, and have enjoyed many others by sitting smugly back and chuckling at those who fall for them.

So...a bargain-basement single-shot like the CVA or H&R in .360Buckhammer? Why not? Cheap to buy and play with, easy to sell when you get bored or come to your senses. But a double??? Maybe some would bite at that; personally, I feel that a double rifle needs to be...among other things...chambered in a cartridge which is at least as old as I am! A classically-styled double rifle...chambered in the latest cartridge-du-jour design...even if it's rimmed...has virtually no appeal to me. You might as well try to sell me a stainless/synthetic double rifle; I will smile and laugh at your attempts to explain its benefits...but will never reach for my wallet. :)
 
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