375 HH mag

[Kevan]

To my way of thinking the rifle recoil is something you keep working with.
Every range trip I do includes a thumper whether it's a 404, my 416 Taylor, one of the 375s.
One friend has a 338 that he reluctantly takes out once every two years, complains bitterly about the recoil, you know what I mean.
If he would shoot it more, he would never notice it..

 

[Gatehouse]

I think the ability to master recoil has much to with various aspects relating to the individual shooter. I know some bone racks that are insensitive to all sorts of unpleasant physical abuse, and some big beefy guys that are really pretty timid, because they've never had to be physically or mentally tough. One man used to heavy physical labour percieves physical stress differently than someone who spends his day at a desk. I kinda buy into the idea that a willow branch that bends under force feels less of that force than the tree that takes it's full effect because it can do nothing else. Likewise a younger man's subtle back arches, while the older man's back remains rigid. So there are 3 different reasons why people perceive recoil differently; life experience and mental toughness, they're build, and age. Now we have the question of a man with the mental toughness to shrug off 6 bouts of chemo; my question is why is Kevan messing around with the little Jeffry when you could have a 7 pound .585 Nyati?

A person can teach themselves to do anything or endure anything, but I'm talking about observing new shooters with no preconceived ideas about recoil.

 

[Dogleg]

I know that when I weighed a buck forty I would be covered with bruises from shooting some decidedly ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns. When you're not much more than ribs, bones , pecker and some sinew a rifle can grind you up pretty good. At a bit north of 200 there's nary a mark from rifles with 4 or 5 times the recoil. I've long felt that recoil is mostly mental, but a bruise is real.

 

[Boomer]

A person can teach themselves to do anything or endure anything, but I'm talking about observing new shooters with no preconceived ideas about recoil.

I think all new shooters, no strike that, I think most new shooters, anticipate that the effects of recoil will be worse than the reality proves to be, then end up wondering what all the fuss was about. That's assuming you start them out with typical .308 sporting rifles, shooting off hand. Those whose build gives them a short reach, feel more recoil due to, too long a LOP, and they'll be inclined to have a harder time. Once recoil exceeds that of a .30/06 in a 7 pound rifle, a new shooter has to have the desire to master it.

My 13 year old grandson fired 300 gr cast bullets loaded to 1200 fps out of my .375 Ultra, kinda bench supported off hand (he wasn't strong enough to hold up the rifle properly) and was rewarded with an equal number of hits on a couple of 12" steel plate from 100 yards. He was particularly small for his age, and I wouldn't allow him to shoot the 270 gr jacketed loads that clocked 3000 fps. That load only produced 10 ft-lbs of recoil, but left him with the confidence that he could handle a big gun, but more importantly, it dispelled the ingrained trepidation of some who are intimidated by the size of a centerfire cartridge after shooting a rimfire.

 

[AP]

I read a lot of this 'I am a BIG man..so I dont feel recoil" bs..... if you hold a rifle properly and tight to the point of contact on your shoulder AND you employ an adequate recoil pad with adequate surface area... big or small doesnt really factor into the 'felt' recoil issue...in fact a lighter guy may well feel less as he doesnt carry the mass that must be overcome by a heavy recoiling cartridge. If you doubt the fact that big guys arent really 'resisting' recoil but rolling with it...just take your pet 458w with factory loads and put the butt tight against a large tree trunk and pull the trigger. Keep your face covered to protect against splinters from your stock. As far as resisting bruising....suggest that 200 rounds of 7.62 from an C1 (FN) from the prone position wearing just a combat shirt will demonstrate that no one is immune from bruising. And that is with a 'gas operated' action that reduces recoil somewhat.

 

[Boomer]

Boomer, I guess the main reason is that my Brother did not build one.
His big builds were a completed 500 Jeffery and uncompleted 510 Wells and 505 Gibbs.
Of the three only the Jeffery has been ' blooded '.
According to his load notes it is no slouch, there is lots of horsepower there.

Oh the Jeffery produces heaps of horsepower, IIRC a 570 at 2400, but a guy like you isn't going to be inconvenienced by the bi-products of that horsepower, that's all I was saying.

 

[Kevan]

Oh the Jeffery produces heaps of horsepower, IIRC a 570 at 2400, but a guy like you isn't going to be inconvenienced by the bi-products of that horsepower, that's all I was saying.

I do know when to draw the line regardless of the chambering and when a fun ride becomes punishment that puts a stop to it.
I'm sure that you have been there too.
One 458 that I had hurt my shoulder just looking at it after it wacked me.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

I read a lot of this 'I am a BIG man..so I dont feel recoil" bs..... if you hold a rifle properly and tight to the point of contact on your shoulder AND you employ an adequate recoil pad with adequate surface area... big or small doesnt really factor into the 'felt' recoil issue...in fact a lighter guy may well feel less as he doesnt carry the mass that must be overcome by a heavy recoiling cartridge. If you doubt the fact that big guys arent really 'resisting' recoil but rolling with it...just take your pet 458w with factory loads and put the butt tight against a large tree trunk and pull the trigger. Keep your face covered to protect against splinters from your stock. As far as resisting bruising....suggest that 200 rounds of 7.62 from an C1 (FN) from the prone position wearing just a combat shirt will demonstrate that no one is immune from bruising. And that is with a 'gas operated' action that reduces recoil somewhat.

Having had a severe right rotator tear a few years back, the traditionally accepted stance with the right elbow up, doesn't work for me with the heavier kickers. However, keeping that right elbow down helps to build up a bit of meat/muscle behind the butt pad and minimizes much of the discomfort, for me.
The laws of physics are applicable.

 

[Boomer]

Having had a severe right rotator tear a few years back, the traditionally accepted stance with the right elbow up, doesn't work for me with the heavier kickers. However, keeping that right elbow down helps to build up a bit of meat/muscle behind the butt pad and minimizes much of the discomfort, for me.
The laws of physics are applicable.

Bingo! Anyone shooting shooting a heavy kicker with an open shoulder pocket is asking to get hurt.

 

[Boomer]

I do know when to draw the line regardless of the chambering and when a fun ride becomes punishment that puts a stop to it.
I'm sure that you have been there too.
One 458 that I had hurt my shoulder just looking at it after it wacked me.

For me is was the wicked curved steel buttplate of a Mosin carbine loaded with milsurp ammo while I was wearing a T-shirt. I grabbed that POS by the barrel and flung it as far as I could. A Mosin must have a pretty good BC, because it as a walk to retrieve it.

 

[Gatehouse]

Anyone shooting with their right elbow up in chicken wing position is stuck waaaaaaaaaay in the past

 

[Gatehouse]

For me is was the wicked curved steel buttplate of a Mosin carbine loaded with milsurp ammo while I was wearing a T-shirt. I grabbed that POS by the barrel and flung it as far as I could. A Mosin must have a pretty good BC, because it as a walk to retrieve it.

Hate the Nagant for that reason. Would prefer to shoot a .375 or a 50BMG, actually!

 

[BigUglyMan]

Boomer, I guess the main reason is that my Brother did not build one.
His big builds were a completed 500 Jeffery and uncompleted 510 Wells and 505 Gibbs.
Of the three only the Jeffery has been ' blooded '.
According to his load notes it is no slouch, there is lots of horsepower there.

Got any details of the Gibbs? I've long lusted after one but never got around to pulling the trigger, so to speak.

 

[Kevan]

Got any details of the Gibbs? I've long lusted after one but never got around to pulling the trigger, so to speak.

If I recall its on a 1917 Enfield action, Bevan King barrel, his own custom wood and am not sure of the rest.
Four years since I handled it, but it might not sell like most of his stuff.

 

[Dogleg]

For me is was the wicked curved steel buttplate of a Mosin carbine loaded with milsurp ammo while I was wearing a T-shirt. I grabbed that POS by the barrel and flung it as far as I could. A Mosin must have a pretty good BC, because it as a walk to retrieve it.

Must be a carbine or fit thing. We've got a couple of full sized ones here and found the recoil to be practically nothing. About like my Ross. If anything it is a little boring.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

Bingo! Anyone shooting shooting a heavy kicker with an open shoulder pocket is asking to get hurt.

True enough, however with the 'organization', and others similar, that gave me my first formalized instruction and firearms training, that's what was taught. And, still being taught today by many apparently.

 

[BigUglyMan]

If I recall its on a 1917 Enfield action, Bevan King barrel, his own custom wood and am not sure of the rest.
Four years since I handled it, but it might not sell like most of his stuff.

Yeah, harder to move a Gibbs than an '06. If you ever come up with pics of that one...

 

[Gibbs505]

Yeah, harder to move a Gibbs than an '06. If you ever come up with pics of that one...

I had one, but needed a roof on my house. It was fun to shoot but I never shot it prone!

 

[NL-Hunter]

In its element, moose down opening day.

 

[jjohnwm]

That's what I love about the H&H...it just flattens'em!!!

That's a good looking gun.