375 or 458

Hi all
The 375H&H is a lot more versatile for anything in North America and all plains game in Africa up to and including Cape Buffalo.I have both, nothing wrong with the 458 but more specialised.Both can be down loaded.I would go with the 375. Just my opinion. Bill
 
Whats funny is so many people that own 458's brag about owning them but down load them to 45-70 levels because they can't handle the recoil...

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Always wanted one of the famous 375 H&H... One Browning X-bolt Stainless Stalker 375 H&H from Wantstall is on it's way to join the herd... JP.
 
Camp Cook said:
Whats funny is so many people that own 458's brag about owning them but down load them to 45-70 levels because they can't handle the recoil...

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I have a selection of cast bullets I use in my Marlin 1895GS, and I do have access to one cast 530gr I may try pushing some lighter loads through my .458 model 70. But;), for the most part, as/my post #3, for any loads in any calibre I have, the usual diet is max or near max loads.
 
brybenn said:
With xmas bonus coming up I think I need (want) a new cz550. Problem is I'm torn between 375hh and the 458wm. It will be used for hunting moose bear and hopefully cape buffalo in a few years. I realize both are larger then needed for north american game but wanting to go to africa is a major conflict. 375hh is fine for buff I'm told but 458 makes a bigger hole. If I get it now ill have at least 3 years to break it in and put a lot of rounds it. Anyone have the cz in 458wm that can comment?
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Just a minute while I put my flame retardant suit on... as l know there is a lot of H&H love ot there.

IIRC when looking at getting something bigger, the 375 H&H was too close to my 338wm on paper with less range.

The 458wm in the Brno I had for a while was a vicious kicker although that could have been stock fit on me.

I ended up getting a CZ550 in 416 Rigby a few years ago. Nice Rifle, very accurate, very versatile - I would buy another.

The one I have wondered about was a CZ550 in 458 Lott. No need for a reamer, just order one.

Be aware that the 416 Rigby, the 458wm, and I assume the 458 Lott are in a whole other world when it comes to recoil and it takes some practice and dedication to get past it. Once past the recoil it's all good.

I would recommend taking a long hard look at the Rigby and the Lott in a 550 Magnum. Nice rifles, reasonably priced and you are good for anything.
 
Not to hi-jack this fine thread but I'd like to have a 602 BRNO in 416 Rigby.
As for recoil with the 458, its not an issue as mine is rather heavy @ 8.5 lb. scoped...
If one likes recoil, a friend has a 500 Jeffery built on a 602.... now there is recoil !
 
Did they make a 602 in the Rigby?

The 602 I had in 458 was a nice rifle that normally would not have got out of the corral but a hunting partner kept on me until it went home with him.
 
Assuming you dont have either... I would own a 375 H&H before i considered jumping to a 458 win. Once you have a 375, i doubt you will find a need for anything bigger. If you do, then you will have the 416/458 decision. Good luck and have fun!
 
.375 H&H will be great for moose and bear, is enough for buffalo, and will give more versatility for some plains game while you're in Africa. I haven't owned a CZ but I did have a new (FN) Win 70 .375 H&H, it was accurate and had flawless feeding. But I replaced it with a .375 H&H custom mauser that handles better. I haven't made it on a buffalo hunt yet, just a short plainsgame hunt for Wildebeest and Impala, but I will go back for Kudu and Buffalo and the .375 will go with me. As I said, I have no experience with the CZ, but if the rifle fits you and feeds well, go for it, the CZ has a solid track record.

Here are my two .375's I still have the mauser, it is definitely my favourite gun.

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To answer your question; I would suggest the 375 H&H . . . It'll do what you need and leave you smiling . . . The 375 H&H is the original long action and feeds through a bolt action rifle like you never seen before. . The 458 WM, while an excellent round for large game, is the original Winchester short action. . From the 458 WM case, came the 338 WM, 264 WM and the 300 WM. .
 
Rod said:
To answer your question; I would suggest the 375 H&H . . . It'll do what you need and leave you smiling . . . The 375 H&H is the original long action and feeds through a bolt action rifle like you never seen before. . The 458 WM, while an excellent round for large game, is the original Winchester short action. . From the 458 WM case, came the 338 WM, 264 WM and the 300 WM. .
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This may be splitting hairs but technically the 300 WM is not part of the 458 2.5 inch family, the 264 WM, 7mm RM, 338 WM, the 375 and 416 CT are all 458 family, even the 308 and 358 NM could be considered part of that clan as they are only .040 longer and that is all in the neck. The entire shooting fraternity was amazed when Win intoduced the 300 WM and it wasn't just the 458 necked down but a whole new format at 2.610 inches long.
No critisizm intended just me spitting hairs, as I said.
 
c-fbmi said:
This may be splitting hairs but technically the 300 WM is not part of the 458 2.5 inch family, the 264 WM, 7mm RM, 338 WM, the 375 and 416 CT are all 458 family, even the 308 and 358 NM could be considered part of that clan as they are only .040 longer and that is all in the neck. The entire shooting fraternity was amazed when Win intoduced the 300 WM and it wasn't just the 458 necked down but a whole new format at 2.610 inches long.
No critisizm intended just me spitting hairs, as I said.
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There's no hair splitting here at all , it's all history, and here's the timeline for all four cartridges I mentioned.

1 . . In Nov. 1955, the 458 Win Mag. was developed by Winchester for the Model 70 Rifle. First shipments of these were made available in May 1956. . The 458's case became the parent case for an additional three more belted magnums. .

2 . . The first to follow up was the 338 Win Mag, authorized in Dec., 1957 and available in June 1959.

3 . . The second to follow up was the 264 Win Mag, authorized in May 1959 and available in April 1960.

4 . . The third to follow up was the 300 Win Mag, authorized in September 1962 and available in Febuary 1963.
 
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