Lickily, "smooth feeding"
Boy, and to think he has issues with me spell'un..............
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Boy, and to think he has issues with me spell'un..............
now we are talking the 375 ruger in a rem 700 action ...lol
It's the Leafs bashing in the thread that made me snap!
oups that was bad, but seems they re not doing well ???? lol
Priceless photo. Just beautiful.
Thanks - we still have those tusks and the rifle for that matter - all these years later.
BigUglyMan
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How does the increased bullet weight in the 375 change the recoil? Given that they are usually a pound lighter than a 416 you would think they might be a little more obstinate that the 416/400 combo. Kevin Robertson is a big proponent of those heavy 375 bullets so there must be some advantage.
Either way, they're obviously pretty good bullets.
You have never owned a bottleneck cartridge rifle that feeds? Bummer.
Fool how? DO you think all of the WSM rifles experience feeding issues?
The 375 H&H is my choice - why wouldn't it be - it's been killing Elephants and stuff for my Family for almost 100 years now...
That's my Grandfather on the bottom right, his tusks and his Westley Richards 375 H&H (the other three gentleman are well known PH's of that era) this photo was taken in the 50's - in Mozambique
Awesome picture... a friend of mine is from Bulawayo. He has many similar pictures... love an old, cracked black and white of game, rifles and hunters of yore... calls up something primal... I'm a carnivore, no doubt about it.
The 375 H&H is my choice - why wouldn't it be - it's been killing Elephants and stuff for my Family for almost 100 years now...
That's my Grandfather on the bottom right, his tusks and his Westley Richards 375 H&H (the other three gentleman are well known PH's of that era) this photo was taken in the 50's - in Mozambique
What a great picture! Do you know the names of the PHs?
Ted
The 375 H&H is my choice - why wouldn't it be - it's been killing Elephants and stuff for my Family for almost 100 years now...
That's my Grandfather on the bottom right, his tusks and his Westley Richards 375 H&H (the other three gentleman are well known PH's of that era) this photo was taken in the 50's - in Mozambique
Just the tusks? Is this like shed hunting but in Africa?
Cool picture.Do you think all of them don't? Because many of them do have horrible feeding issues. Saying they don't is plain silly.
As to statement that modern firearms feed well. Well, as a rule, they don't. I've seen so few that do feed properly that it's noteworthy when one actually does. But there is feeding, and then there is feeding. If there is one thing that HASN't improved over the years in firearms it is the feeding.
The 375 Ruger is a great cartridge. But to say it is a vast improvement over the H&H because it is "modern" in design is ridiculous. But if by improvement you mean one less cartridge in the magazine, and 1/4" less bolt throw then maybe you are on to something. But don't tell me it's better because of less body taper and a lack of a belt.
BigUglyMan
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The 375 H&H is my choice - why wouldn't it be - it's been killing Elephants and stuff for my Family for almost 100 years now...
That's my Grandfather on the bottom right, his tusks and his Westley Richards 375 H&H (the other three gentleman are well known PH's of that era) this photo was taken in the 50's - in Mozambique
And the one old boy in the old pith helmet...purest badassedness!
I wanted a 375 H&H for years (decades) but when Ruger came out with the 375 Ruger I decided to go with it instead, I bought a Ruger African and it is a great rifle. I bought mine from Prophet River and they keep dies and brass on hand, if you don't like the Hornady brass you can make your own from 300 Win Mag brass as c-fbmi demonstrated previously here in CGN. I'm not sure where this notion of only log tapered cases are smooth feeding, of course the Ruger is and I recently bought a 270 WSM Savage which feeds perfecty from the magazine as well, go figure.
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If there was a real issue with rifles feeding the WSM's right now, we'd be hearing about it constantly. I'm not saying that malfunctioning rifles don't exist, because they certainly do, and some of the earlier WSM's had real problems, but trying to blow it out of proportion is what is plain silly. The WSM's have been very popular, and most rifles feed just fine.
The H&H case design is obsolete as cordite, and there really isn't any denying that. Obsolete stuff still works, but that doesn't change the fact it's obsolete. The argument is that the Ruger won't feed as well as the H&H due to the case design. The H&H feeding better than any other cartridge is an idea that's been thrown about carelessly by many hunters, guides and gun writers, long before the Ruger was even a concept. I even believed it and repeated it at one point.
But if we are to believe that, then we have to believe that no rifle cartridge designed in the last 100 years feeds properly, because almost all of them have less taper and sharper shoulders than the H&H.
The Ruger is shorter, will fit into more actions than the H&H, offers the same performance as an H&H in a more compact rifle, has sharper shoulders that should reduce brass flow, has no superfluous belt and it feeds perfectly, every bit as good as an H&H. These may be small improvements, but they are indeed improvements.
If there was a real issue with rifles feeding the WSM's right now, we'd be hearing about it constantly. I'm not saying that malfunctioning rifles don't exist, because they certainly do, and some of the earlier WSM's had real problems, but trying to blow it out of proportion is what is plain silly. The WSM's have been very popular, and most rifles feed just fine.
The H&H case design is obsolete as cordite, and there really isn't any denying that. Obsolete stuff still works, but that doesn't change the fact it's obsolete. The argument is that the Ruger won't feed as well as the H&H due to the case design. The H&H feeding better than any other cartridge is an idea that's been thrown about carelessly by many hunters, guides and gun writers, long before the Ruger was even a concept. I even believed it and repeated it at one point.
But if we are to believe that, then we have to believe that no rifle cartridge designed in the last 100 years feeds properly, because almost all of them have less taper and sharper shoulders than the H&H.
The Ruger is shorter, will fit into more actions than the H&H, offers the same performance as an H&H in a more compact rifle, has sharper shoulders that should reduce brass flow, has no superfluous belt and it feeds perfectly, every bit as good as an H&H. These may be small improvements, but they are indeed improvements.
Obsolete: no longer in general use; fallen into disuse; no longer produced; out of date.
Those were the first few definitions that came up for the word "obsolete". The H&H, "obsolete"? Clearly...by definition...no.
Okay, more fun with words. Now, let's try...let's see now...Oh! I know! Let's try "questionable".
Questionable: of doubtful propriety or honesty; open to question or dispute; open to question as to being of the nature or value suggested; artificially presented.
Again, obviously not applicable to a discussion of the merits of the H&H cartridge...but definitely appropriate when referring to "The New Bling".
Those were the first few definitions that came up for the word "obsolete". The H&H, "obsolete"? Clearly...by definition...no.
Okay, more fun with words. Now, let's try...let's see now...Oh! I know! Let's try "questionable".
Questionable: of doubtful propriety or honesty; open to question or dispute; open to question as to being of the nature or value suggested; artificially presented.
Again, obviously not applicable to a discussion of the merits of the H&H cartridge...but definitely appropriate when referring to "The New Bling".
Johnn Peterson
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Like many obsolete products, the H&H cartridge is still in use. However, the case design of the H&H meet all those criteria for being obsolete.
