That's outstanding Kevan, Gatehouse's misplaced cartridge confidence ravings has allowed you to get rid of that soon to be obsolete Ruger DUD!!!! The one you couldn't give away at the shows, perfect !!
375 Ruger Factory ammo
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That's outstanding Kevan, Gatehouse's misplaced cartridge confidence ravings has allowed you to get rid of that soon to be obsolete Ruger DUD!!!! The one you couldn't give away at the shows, perfect !!
That's outstanding Kevan, Gatehouse's misplaced cartridge confidence ravings has allowed you to get rid of that soon to be obsolete Ruger DUD!!!! The one you couldn't give away at the shows, perfect !!
All this knowledge coming from a guy who has to bribe people to come and load rounds for him and shoot his rifles for him as well! LOL
Absolutely, not having to do all that meanial labor stuff gives me much more time to expand my knowlege. LOL
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Cleo, IMHO, you should consider handloading for your new rifle, even though you don't handload yet. The only way to get good with a powerful rifle is to shoot it frequently, and this is more manageable by handloading. Thus the cost of shooting is reduced, and it allows you to choose the power level appropriate for your purposes, in other words you can choose to reduce recoil. The brass cartridge is the most expensive component that makes up our ammunition. But it is also the only component that is reusable, so each time you reuse a piece of brass, it reduces the cost of your shooting. But to my way of thinking, the real value of handloading is the versatility it adds to your rifle. You can make ammo that you can't purchase at any price, and that's important. If you purchase the rifle and find the recoil a bit harsh for your comfort level, you can load a lighter bullet and/or use a reduced powder charge to reduce the recoil to a level you can manage. With factory ammo, if you can't manage the recoil, you have few options other than sell the rifle. Once you have mastered a reduced load, then over time, you can work back up until you can manage the full potential of the cartridge, with the advantage of having a broader choice of bullets than the factory offers. If you want to hunt small game with your big game rifle, it is a simple matter to load a cast bullet, or if you can find an inexpensive jacketed bullet, to 1200 fps, and use that load to kill upland game with little more damage than produced by a .22 rimfire. A handloading set up can be built around a Workmate, folding bench, so it takes up little room, and a modest set up can get you in the game for perhaps $300. Once you've got started, it is then a fairly simple matter to handload for your other centerfires.
This thread is starting to reach the level of "epic"
How is the Ruger superior to the H&H offering, other than length? Also how many new cartridges stand the test of time? 5%? No one here can see the future, or reliably guess as to what will happen, so maybe the Ruger will be popular and be here forever, who knows.
For me, I'll take the H&H, for personal reasons that matter not here.
How is the Ruger superior to the H&H offering, other than length? Also how many new cartridges stand the test of time? 5%? No one here can see the future, or reliably guess as to what will happen, so maybe the Ruger will be popular and be here forever, who knows.
For me, I'll take the H&H, for personal reasons that matter not here.
It's superiority has already been summarized on this thread as well as many, many times in this forum, so no need to address that.
As for how many cartridges stand the test of time? Depends how far you want to go back. Most blackpowder cartridges are obsolete these days but look at the staggering array of smokeless propellent cartridge selections we have. Not many have lasted 100 years, but there weren't that many smokeless cartridges 100 years ago either. Far more than 5% introduced in the last 50-60 years have survived though. Lots of good cartridges in the more common calibers (.224/25/6mm/7mm/308) have succumbed to other cartridges in those calibers, but in 375 caliber specifically, there has never been a real challenger before now. There have been plenty of .375 caliber cartridges, but none have sold as well as the NEW KING.
Why is the 300 H&H dead? Because modern designed and more available .308 caliber cartirdges came along. Why is the 300WM and 300WSM more popular than the 300Weatherby? Availability of rifles.
The NEW KING is a modern design case and the rifles are accessible to anyone that wants a 375. Lots of people WANT it to fail for some silly reason, but it's here to stay.
I just reread this thread for the third time, where has its superiority been addressed? Aside from being shorter, I haven't seen or read anything that shows its superiority. I own neither, and also am a fan of Ruger, so I don't have a dog in this fight, I just prefer facts to "THE NEW KING" bs. Is it faster? Same ballistics with less powder? More reliable? Cheaper? More common ammunition is stores? Less recoil? Brass last longer? More versatile? What makes it superior? I actually would like to know!
And yes, probably less than 5% of new cartridges invented in the last 50 years went they way of the dodo, most of which we never hear about. Some we do, and soon forget about once they disappear. I know a few people with almost complete cartridge collections, and its staggering the number of now obsolete rounds.
Good advice, and thanks. All good points. Fortunately, space space and cost to get set up are not the issues for me getting into reloading. Right now it's the time (to learn or do it) that I don't have with a young family and lots of work...
Cheers!
CLEO
Read Post #12, then search this forum for 375 Ruger. There is lots that you may learn.
Ok, rereading post 12.... Back in a while hopefully with less questions!
Again, as I said before, other than being shorter, what is better about it? Have any reliable data that I can read, or see for myself?
If I told you that the 7mm WSM is superior to the 7mm RUM, does that make it true just because I say so? Hardly...
I understand that the 375 H&H is an older cartridge and it has a few areas where it could be improved, in ways that would be near impossible to determine in the field, but the fact is that it could be improved upon. At least IMO, but what is so great about the 375 Ruger? I am interested, but I don't buy into Internet hype without something real to base it upon.
Please don't take my posts the wrong way, I have read many of your posts and value your opinion, I just want some sort of reasonable explanation as to why this new cartridge is "THE NEW KING"
Again, as I said before, other than being shorter, what is better about it? Have any reliable data that I can read, or see for myself?
If I told you that the 7mm WSM is superior to the 7mm RUM, does that make it true just because I say so? Hardly...
I understand that the 375 H&H is an older cartridge and it has a few areas where it could be improved, in ways that would be near impossible to determine in the field, but the fact is that it could be improved upon. At least IMO, but what is so great about the 375 Ruger? I am interested, but I don't buy into Internet hype without something real to base it upon.
Please don't take my posts the wrong way, I have read many of your posts and value your opinion, I just want some sort of reasonable explanation as to why this new cartridge is "THE NEW KING"
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There is data all over the web, including this site.
You didn't really do any reading, did you? If you coudl get the SAME or BETTER performance from a 7WSM, in a more compact rifle that costs less, wouldn't you call the 7WSM superior?
If you had a 7WSM rifle and I offered to exchange it for a rifle chambered in 7mm H&H would you swap once I told you that the rifle needed to be a bit longer and a bit more expensive and the case was a similar design to the 300 H&H that featured a long taper, an unnecessary belt, the brass required trimming more often and performance was about the same or a little less?
There are multiple threads on the topic. One is the longest thread ever in the history of this particular forum. You could take days to read it, but there is a nice summation in post #12 of this thread.
I'm sorry that you didn't understand it, but I don't know if I can be any more clear.
There is data all over the web, including this site.
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You didn't really do any reading, did you? If you coudl get the SAME or BETTER performance from a 7WSM, in a more compact rifle that costs less, wouldn't you call the 7WSM superior?
If you had a 7WSM rifle and I offered to exchange it for a rifle chambered in 7mm H&H would you swap once I told you that the rifle needed to be a bit longer and a bit more expensive and the case was a similar design to the 300 H&H that featured a long taper, an unnecessary belt, the brass required trimming more often and performance was about the same or a little less?
There are multiple threads on the topic. One is the longest thread ever in the history of this particular forum. You could take days to read it, but there is a nice summation in post #12 of this thread.
I'm sorry that you didn't understand it, but I don't know if I can be any more clear.
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So other than it is shorter, in your OPINION you think it is superior. Would that be because it has a very slight velocity advantage by using up to 20% more powder? Btw, what do you mean by "minimal dicking around"? I couldn't figure this one out, is there a lot of dicking around to get the H&H to work the way it was intended?
Anywhoo, who makes brass and where can I get some? I have been wanting a 375, and whichever one I find first in a rifle I like that fits me I will probably purchase. As long as I can get brass easily. Both are so close in ballistics that I do t care which, and a long action doesn't bother me so the only advantage I can possibly see to the Ruger is moot.
I wonder if the African minimum of 375 H&H would include the 375 Ruger, I would like to get over there one day soon. I have always wanted to go, and my stepfather who loved that continent and spent years there, recently dies in the Congo. I loved that man and miss him greatly, so that is another reason I must go.
Anywhoo, who makes brass and where can I get some? I have been wanting a 375, and whichever one I find first in a rifle I like that fits me I will probably purchase. As long as I can get brass easily. Both are so close in ballistics that I do t care which, and a long action doesn't bother me so the only advantage I can possibly see to the Ruger is moot.
I wonder if the African minimum of 375 H&H would include the 375 Ruger, I would like to get over there one day soon. I have always wanted to go, and my stepfather who loved that continent and spent years there, recently dies in the Congo. I loved that man and miss him greatly, so that is another reason I must go.
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No, it's fact. It does the same thing in a smaller package. Sorta like why nobody carries around cell phones that look like this anymore:
Where did you pull 20% more powder from? Quick example form Hodgdon using H4350 and 300gr bullets
RUGER- 80.7gr 2660fps
H&H- 81.5gr 2645 fps
Not if the rifle was intended for the H&H, but several actions aren't long enough without some dicking around. Like Rugers. So if you want an H&H you have to use a different action, which adds cost. (ALready explained on this thread BTW)
Hornady makes brass and it's available in Canada with a phone call.
Of course it would qualify.
Bottom line is that the H&H has no advantages over the Ruger, except nostalgia. Sometimes I get nostalgic for my cell phone from the late 80's too, but I get over it when I put my Itelephone in my shirt pocket.
No, it's fact. It does the same thing in a smaller package. Sorta like why nobody carries around cell phones that look like this anymore:
Where did you pull 20% more powder from? Quick example form Hodgdon using H4350 and 300gr bullets
RUGER- 80.7gr 2660fps
H&H- 81.5gr 2645 fps
Not if the rifle was intended for the H&H, but several actions aren't long enough without some dicking around. Like Rugers. So if you want an H&H you have to use a different action, which adds cost. (ALready explained on this thread BTW)
Hornady makes brass and it's available in Canada with a phone call.
Of course it would qualify.
Bottom line is that the H&H has no advantages over the Ruger, except nostalgia. Sometimes I get nostalgic for my cell phone from the late 80's too, but I get over it when I put my Itelephone in my shirt pocket.
So if I buy a rifle that wasn't intended for the 375 Ruger, there would be minimal dicking around to use this cartridge? If I buy a Ruger rifle in 375 H&H it should work fine, if I buy a Ruger in 375 Ruger it will also work fine. I didn't realize you meant modifying short actions for the H&H.
What do cell phones have to do with either cartridge?
So Hornady makes the brass, who else? I like Winchester, Lapua, Norma, and Nosler personally... Most if not all make the H&H.
I can buy the H&H factory loaded ammo two of three places that sell ammo here, Walmart doesn't have it. I know none of them here have the 375 Ruger yet, maybe they will catch up. Although I hand load, so I guess that doesn't really matter.
You are right on the powder, my bad, I messed up when comparing from book to book by not using the same grain bullet.
I will have to call my PH, as I don't think it matters what someone on the net says about its use in Africa legally. I want to be sure before I waste my $$.
So in other words, so far it's shorter, less available brass and ammo, and in some cases not available at all, all other things close to equal.
I will keep researching, but so far I think I will be buying the H&H. Last thing I need is to pull a blonde moment and lose or forget my ammo, and end up carrying around a pretty walking cane.
What do cell phones have to do with either cartridge?
So Hornady makes the brass, who else? I like Winchester, Lapua, Norma, and Nosler personally... Most if not all make the H&H.
I can buy the H&H factory loaded ammo two of three places that sell ammo here, Walmart doesn't have it. I know none of them here have the 375 Ruger yet, maybe they will catch up. Although I hand load, so I guess that doesn't really matter.
You are right on the powder, my bad, I messed up when comparing from book to book by not using the same grain bullet.
I will have to call my PH, as I don't think it matters what someone on the net says about its use in Africa legally. I want to be sure before I waste my $$.
So in other words, so far it's shorter, less available brass and ammo, and in some cases not available at all, all other things close to equal.
I will keep researching, but so far I think I will be buying the H&H. Last thing I need is to pull a blonde moment and lose or forget my ammo, and end up carrying around a pretty walking cane.
