I have been thinking about adding a 375 to my collection. The obvious choice would be a 375 H&H. I saw the ad for the 375 Ruger and it claims same performance with less recoil and a 20 inch barrel. I think these claims about reduced recoil are just a marketing thing, the same thing is claimed for the short mags yet the ones I've shot do not kick any less. I just don't see how this is possible, doesn't physics say that propelling the same weight bullet the same velocity would have to produce the same recoil?
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Ad in a U.S. publication no doubt.
Expect no real reports from this side of the border for at least 6 months, more likely 12 to 18months.
Physics is physics, and if a bullet of the same weight leaves a rifle of the same weight at the same velocity, guess what. You get pretty much the same recoil.(save a small amount related to power weight differences)
Now with all that being said, put a rifle with a more straight line comb against a same weight caliber etc. rifle with a comb with lots of drop, well the preceived recoil in the straight comb rifle will be less. Same for wider butt stocks. And of course a decent recoil pad changes the whole equation even more.
Expect no real reports from this side of the border for at least 6 months, more likely 12 to 18months.
Physics is physics, and if a bullet of the same weight leaves a rifle of the same weight at the same velocity, guess what. You get pretty much the same recoil.(save a small amount related to power weight differences)
Now with all that being said, put a rifle with a more straight line comb against a same weight caliber etc. rifle with a comb with lots of drop, well the preceived recoil in the straight comb rifle will be less. Same for wider butt stocks. And of course a decent recoil pad changes the whole equation even more.
I agree with LD.
Having said that, I think you better call up Questar and get one pronto, many of us here want to know if it is all it's bragged to be.
If you check their website, Ruger has two models available, state side anyway, IIRC the wood stocked/blued version has a 23" or 24" pipe and is a fairly decent weight.
Having said that, I think you better call up Questar and get one pronto, many of us here want to know if it is all it's bragged to be.
If you check their website, Ruger has two models available, state side anyway, IIRC the wood stocked/blued version has a 23" or 24" pipe and is a fairly decent weight.
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Especially Noel! He cant stop talking about it, I know deep down he wants one
The biggest problem of course, is that it comes wrapped up in a Ruger. So you've gotta add $100++ for a trigger, and another $75 for a butt plate that isn't made of pure crystallized pain. Add $100 to clean up the rough factory fit n finish, and at the end of the process you've still just got a Ruger.
Check out the BRNO 602 in .375 H&H. I think you'll find it's exactly what you're looking for.
Check out the BRNO 602 in .375 H&H. I think you'll find it's exactly what you're looking for.
crazy_davey said:Especially Noel! He cant stop talking about it, I know deep down he wants one
Not for me Davey, it's fer da Brudder in law.
He needs to one up me every time, so I go shopping for him.
I agree with Bishopus, the only thing they have going for them is the integral rings, and a nice bluing job. The rest needs TLC.
I would recommend getting an older CZ BRNO. You could find one in any caliber and (heaven forbid) rebarrel it to the Ruger case and have a much nicer rifle to love and tend too. But that's just me......
I've only seen ads that claim similar velocities to the 375 H&H, nothign about recoil. Stands to reason that the same bullet, going the same speed, in the same rifle, wiht the same shooter- Woudl recoil the same.
Ruger makes a really good rifle, solid, dependabel and accurate, although I probbly will have a375 Ruger built on the stainless mdl 70 action I have in the shop...
I sure have liked the rugers I have played wiht more than the Brno 602 375 H&H I owned. It was a good rifle, but it was very heavy, the finish (or should I say extremely rough factory tooling marks) wasn't anything special, the chamber was WAY oversized, so much that when a shot was fired the case looked liek a 375 Weatherby I didn't liek the single set trigger much, althoug I coudl deal wiht it, hated the backwards safety (depite the "#### the hammer excercise.. Maybe it woudl be easier if it was my only rifle, I guess...
All in all, you coudl do alot worse than the Brno, but I think it's better suited to a larger cartridge, and I don't htink it's any better than a Ruger, as they both have things that can be improved on, however, I woudl only buy another Brno 602 if I was to extensively modify it, like Boomer has done to his.
But we shoudl get back to topic- the 375 Ruger
Ruger makes a really good rifle, solid, dependabel and accurate, although I probbly will have a375 Ruger built on the stainless mdl 70 action I have in the shop...
I sure have liked the rugers I have played wiht more than the Brno 602 375 H&H I owned. It was a good rifle, but it was very heavy, the finish (or should I say extremely rough factory tooling marks) wasn't anything special, the chamber was WAY oversized, so much that when a shot was fired the case looked liek a 375 Weatherby
I didn't liek the single set trigger much, althoug I coudl deal wiht it, hated the backwards safety (depite the "#### the hammer excercise.. Maybe it woudl be easier if it was my only rifle, I guess...All in all, you coudl do alot worse than the Brno, but I think it's better suited to a larger cartridge, and I don't htink it's any better than a Ruger, as they both have things that can be improved on, however, I woudl only buy another Brno 602 if I was to extensively modify it, like Boomer has done to his.
But we shoudl get back to topic- the 375 Ruger
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Bishopus said:
The 602 is a magnum length action- the action, bolt and bolt throw is certainly longer thna any "regular" magnum or "standard" 30-06 length action.
Building a 375 Ultra or 378 Weatherby makes more sense than bulding a 375 Ruger with it.
The 375 Ruger is designed to work in a standard action. Specifically a standard Ruger action.
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I read an article that Craig Boddington wrote about the .375 Ruger in Africa. He said that the cartridge fits in a .30-06 length action so rifles are lighter in weight than most .375 H&H rifles. He also claimed the recoils was stout but manageable. (That sounds to me like it kicks real hard but if you're a man you can take it). I think it looks like a great cartridge but the reality is, I think my .35 Whelen is about the max recoil I can handle and still shoot okay.
Bishopus said:
Wrong on the trigger and butt pad issues.
Take a read about the 77 Hawkeye(which the 375 Ruger comes in)
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firea...ubtype=Bolt Action&famlst=60&variation=77/22®
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Damn, ya beat me to it
I'm still struggling with which of the two I'd pick, Alaskan or African. I can see advantages to each, but we likely have lot's of time to decide
I can definately see a .375 Ruger joining my collection.ORLY?
http://www.chuckhawks.com/subscribers/product_review_page/ruger_M77Hawkeye.htm
"Friends, you should have heard the collective sigh of disappointment. The LC6 trigger mechanism may be steel (instead of aluminum), but the trigger pull of our test rifle is creepy and very heavy... This trigger is substantially worse than the trigger in the M77R Mark II rifle that we reviewed in 2005. Bummer! Let's just say that we don't think that the LC6 trigger mechanism is going to appreciably reduce the sales of after market triggers.
Also worse than previous M77 rifles that we have tested is the generally crude external finish and the (lack of) internal polishing of the action. The Hawkeye bolt feels as if it is running on sand. This action is worse than the action of the M77R Mark II rifle that we reviewed in 2005, and that rifle's action was pretty rough. The Hawkeye receiver and key parts are investment cast, and apparently assembled without any attempt to clean up the castings. This is just about the roughest bolt action rifle that we have ever tested."
You _may_ be right about the butt pad. I'll let you spend your own money to find out...
http://www.chuckhawks.com/subscribers/product_review_page/ruger_M77Hawkeye.htm
"Friends, you should have heard the collective sigh of disappointment. The LC6 trigger mechanism may be steel (instead of aluminum), but the trigger pull of our test rifle is creepy and very heavy... This trigger is substantially worse than the trigger in the M77R Mark II rifle that we reviewed in 2005. Bummer! Let's just say that we don't think that the LC6 trigger mechanism is going to appreciably reduce the sales of after market triggers.
Also worse than previous M77 rifles that we have tested is the generally crude external finish and the (lack of) internal polishing of the action. The Hawkeye bolt feels as if it is running on sand. This action is worse than the action of the M77R Mark II rifle that we reviewed in 2005, and that rifle's action was pretty rough. The Hawkeye receiver and key parts are investment cast, and apparently assembled without any attempt to clean up the castings. This is just about the roughest bolt action rifle that we have ever tested."
You _may_ be right about the butt pad. I'll let you spend your own money to find out...
Gatehouse said:It is a 7mmStw right now, but it's not any longer than a 30-06 action.
You've got all that space, I think you owe it to yourself, and to us, to do a .375 Weatherby. Come on, otherwise you're wasting .2 inches of magazine space! The terrorists will win!
Plus the .375 Weatherby is infinitely cooler than the .375 Ruger...
Bishopus said:
The 375 Ruger,375 H&H , Weatherby, H&H AI, and 375/338 have all been on my short list.
I can still go either way..
I am not in a hurry to decide one way or the other, I'm not going to Africa for a few years still (and when I do, it may be *legally* important to have the rifle barrel stamp match the case head stamp, so that may drop the 375/338 and AI out of the running)
What I decide on will be based on brass aviailability more than anyhting else. If I guy can get 200 Ruger cases, I htink he'd be set for life.
