375 Ruger

Gatehouse said:
I'm not a big fan of laminate stocks, but that rifle looks pretty good.:)

I don't know why Ruger doesn't offer it as an added $$$ option in RH form, probably because they are barely keeping up with demand for the Hogue stocked rifles. Probably come in time...Although I assume Boyds or someone else probably makes an aftermarket laminate for Ruger
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todbartell said:
sharp lookin rig there
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Thanks guys. It's a definite keeper.

I'm not usually a big fan of laminate stocks either. This one has grown on me though. Still, I've always planned on McMillan for it..... one of these days. Maybe, it's not exactly a heavy rifle as is.

Gatehouse said:
The .375 H&H has been all over the world, and done it all. Now we have H&H ++ performance in an updated cartridge, and in affordable, well thought out rifle designs.

God Bless the New King of the .375's, the MIGHTY .375 RUGER
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AMEN!!:D:D:rockOn:
 
Camp Cook said:
Oh my I see the propaganda will never stop and yelling doesn't make others believe its anything other than a desperate attempt to force others to believe...

You will notice I do not yell I just point out the truth...

Boomer thanks for the picture now there is the Grand Master of 375 performance...
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IF you beleive in true UltraWizzBang performance then why are you toying with the lowly .280 Rem. in your other post?

Like I said...go Ultra-Mag or go home...
 
I'll try and explain... :D

I feel there is a place for cartridges from standard to UltraWizzBang performance that is why I have rifles chambered in calibers that include 17/224/6mm/270/280/308/375/400/458 the issue I have is when others try to spread propaganda proclaiming false truths.

Someone has to stand up and point out the error of their ways to those that do not have the knowledge but are searching for the truth... :p


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Camp Cook said:
I'll try and explain... :D

I feel there is a place for cartridges from standard to UltraWizzBang performance that is why I have rifles chambered in calibers that include 17/224/6mm/270/280/308/375/400/458 the issue I have is when others try to spread propaganda proclaiming false truths.

Someone has to stand up and point out the error of their ways to those that do not have the knowledge but are searching for the truth... :p


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Most excellent.
 
one other advantage I see the 375 ruger having over a high speed 375 is just about every bullet out there of .375" is designed to perform at 375 H&H velocity, which the new Ruger shares. A close shot with a 375 Ultra or 378 Wby could not give ideal results with some bullets
 
It's not only about killing power its about being able to reach out further with flatter tragectories and far higher retained energies.

The RUM makes it a lot easier for those that do not take the time to become proficient to hit there target at greater distances resulting in less wounded game or complete misses and for those that do take the time to learn to reach out to distances that you can only dream of with a H&H/Ruger.

I agree if you use light weight 200gr/220gr/225gr bullets that they are not designed for RUM velocities and I completely disagree about bullets not being able to stand up to RUM velocities Accubonds/Partitions/A-Frames/Inter-Bonds/Barnes will all hold up to RUM velocities and are readily available everywhere.

If they are being shot out of a short barreled rifle like Boomer's velocities will also be less or as most of us are reloaders could load down to H&H/Ruger velocities if you wanted or load up with specialty 350gr/380gr bullets like Boomer loads but the reverse cannot be said for the H&H/Ruger.


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Camp Cook said:
The RUM makes it a lot easier for those that do not take the time to become proficient to hit there target at greater distances resulting in less wounded game or complete misses and for those that do take the time to learn to reach out to distances that you can only dream of with a H&H/Ruger.
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100% completely disagree. Anybody who does not put in the time to practice with ANY 375, let alone a fast one, will not have the ability to place a shot properly at game from a field position. The result will be a miss, a long tracking job, or lost game. These are not beginner's rifles. To suggest that you just pick up a 375 Ultra, aim at a moose at 450 yards and pull the trigger and expect it's heart to explode is absolutely ludicrous.

do you really believe this BS you spew? there is no doubt the 375 Ultra has great ballistics, but a 375 Ruger or H&H loaded with a 300gr GameKing @ 2600 fps will be deadly in the right hands out to a long damn ways, alot further than what 95% of hunters, even gun nutz, should be taking in the field.

my .02, maybe I shoulda spent that .02$ on crack so I could believe the post above..........:onCrack::onCrack:
 
I personally like all of the .375 cartridges I've used, and this includes the H&H, the Ruger, and the Ultra. A big volume case like the Ultra has a performance advantage with heavy for caliber bullets, and it is with these bullets that I believe the Ultra shines. The H&H is the cartridge that produced the spec for the most popular bullet weights we use today in .375" diameter, and the ballistics of this cartridge leaves nothing to be desired. The Ruger seems to be at it's best with bullets on the light side of the bullet spec, as a short cartridge's powder capacity is impacted negatively when loaded with long heavy mono-metal bullets, even though faster than normal powders might be chosen to alleviate compressed loads.

So where does this leave us? The .375 H&H does everything that might be reasonably expected from a rifle of this bore size. The Ruger is available at an attractive price, in a nice trim accurate rifle. While it will match the H&H with normal bullet weights, it betters the H&H's velocity slightly with lighter bullets. The Ultra easily matches the H&H or the Ruger in performance with light and normal weight bullets, but with heavy for caliber bullets it simply out classes them, and becomes similar in performance to a .416 Rigby with traditional loads.
 
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Camp Cook said:
It's not only about killing power its about being able to reach out further with flatter tragectories and far higher retained energies.

The RUM makes it a lot easier for those that do not take the time to become proficient to hit there target at greater distances resulting in less wounded game or complete misses and for those that do take the time to learn to reach out to distances that you can only dream of with a H&H/Ruger.
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Do you really believe this BS??

The RUM makes it easier for those that are not proficient to hit at great distance??? WOW!!! I guess you are the target audience for the "long range hunting" thread...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's been awhile since I heard the BIG GUN NO PRACTICE theory...... "I don't practice much, so I got a MAGNUM because it will just knock them down at any range" :rolleyes:


Reach out to distances that you can only dream of with the H&H or Ruger? You should probably crunch some numbers on a ballistics table :p

Using the same bullet and same 200 yard zero, and Hodgdons data (using top velocities for both loads) , I crunched some numbers in a ballistics calculator and came up with the difference in trajectory between the RUM and the Ruger stack up like this:

RUM
300 yard -8.03
350 yard - 14.06
400 yard -23.11
450 yard -33.75
500 yard -46.76

Ruger
300 yard -8.99
350 yard -16.36
400 yard -25.9
450 yard -37.85
500 yard -52.47

Out to 350 or so yards, the trajectory is so close as to be meaningless in the field, and past that you are going to need some sort of compensation other than just "holdover" to assure a clean kill, so you are going to use turrets or a ballistic-plex scope, and once you are using these tools, a slight difference in trajectory (LESS than 6" at 500 yards BTW) is irrelevant.

The difference in energy out at 400-500 yards is about 200ft lbs .....Less than the energy generated by a .22 magnum rimfire


You may think that this slight increase in trajectory and energy numbers is important, but I assure you that to a marksman that is competent enough to cleanly kill at these ranges, these numbers are only data- They won't in any way increase or decrease his chance of killing the moose...And the oose doesn't care either!
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Never thought my post would stir the pot so much! I can't believe though that some people think that the faster and bigger the round the better a shot it makes you!?!? You can just go around throwing fly balls and expect to cleanly and ethically harvest game. Thats not what I wanted to find out by posting this. All I'm after is the ups and downs between the ruger and H&H.
 
Boomer said:
While it will match the H&H with normal bullet weights, it betters the H&H's velocity slightly with lighter bullets. The Ultra easily matches the H&H or the Ruger in performance with light and normal weight bullets, but with heavy for caliber bullets it simply out classes them, and becomes similar in performance to a .416 Rigby with traditional loads.
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From what I have read on various places on the intraweb, the H&H gives about 2200FPS with a the 380gr Rhino bullet, and I think you shoot them at about 2350fps in your RUM?

I think that for the most part, the use of these bullets is a closer range affair,and question if the 150fps difference in velocity is going to make a big difference in thier performance on animals. But I have never even seen one of these Rhino bullets...
 
Gatehouse said:
From what I have read on various places on the intraweb, the H&H gives about 2200FPS with a the 380gr Rhino bullet, and I think you shoot them at about 2350fps in your RUM?

I think that for the most part, the use of these bullets is a closer range affair,and question if the 150fps difference in velocity is going to make a big difference in thier performance on animals. But I have never even seen one of these Rhino bullets...
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I think it might under certain conditions. The 380's advantage is the huge frontal area at full expansion, but because the bullet is designed for very heavy game, you need the extra 100 fps to get it. Crazy_Davey shot a black bear with a 380 from his H&H, and it died (go figure) but the recovered bullet didn't expand as I had anticipated. So with this particular bullet, 2300 fps might be the minimal velocity for full expansion with the resistance we expect from normal North American game. If I end up in a train wreck with a polar bear a bullet that expands to an inch and penetrates 3' has a certain appeal. Having said that, I would have no issue using the Rhinos for moose or caribou, although the trajectory would cause me to limit my shots to 200 yards or so, for me this is of little consequence, and expansion would be no worse than one would expect from a TSX with a similar impact velocity. If I want to make a long shot I need only switch to a light weight TSX or an Accubond. At 300 yards the Rhinos group well, but they have almost 2' of drop, and there are no few range markers in this neighborhood.
 
I'm pretty sure that the Rhino bullets are designed with really tough game in mind, not Black Bears or even Moose. They'd work just fine, btu that's nto what they were designed for. The 380s are specifically designed for sorting out large, troublesome things at close range in heavy cover. They're not your daddy's moose bullet, that's for sure!
 
The RUM makes it a lot easier for those that do not take the time to become proficient to hit there target at greater distances resulting in less wounded game or complete misses and for those that do take the time to learn to reach out to distances that you can only dream of with a H&H/Ruger
Bat sh1T Crazy

You guys are such good humour... ;)





moki.... You think they figured it out yet? :eek:
 
BigUglyMan said:
I'm pretty sure that the Rhino bullets are designed with really tough game in mind, not Black Bears or even Moose. They'd work just fine, btu that's nto what they were designed for. The 380s are specifically designed for sorting out large, troublesome things at close range in heavy cover. They're not your daddy's moose bullet, that's for sure!
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It doesn't take a genious to figure that one out ;) :D. But thanks for pointing it out anyways :p

They'd work just fine
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Correct, they did. I had some I wanted to try on something and hunting season was a long ways off so I figured I would try them out on a spring black bear or two as they were open at the time.

They might not be daddy's moose bullet but I would not hesitate to use one on a moose if the opportunty presented itself.
 
BUM, as far as I know there is still no Canadian dealer for the Rhino line, although there has been talk from time to time. I buy mine direct from RSA. Since you are planning another trip that way you can just stop in at a gun shop and buy a few boxes, and maybe get me some while you're at it.:)
 
One thing about the 375 Ruger that is a positive is for someone like myself who has never shot or owned a 375 before the Ruger rifle allowed me to purchase a rifle that was affordable to me and has allowed me to play around with a 375 which is something I always wanted to do! I think next year I am going to add the 416 Ruger to the collection as well.
 
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