375 Speeds
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I'm trying but I just can't accept your blanket statement.
Yes I will admit that the 375Ruger is a good idea and the rifle being designed like it is fills a nitch but it can't do anything that the 375 H&H hasn't done over the last 100 years and the 375RUM stomps it in performance.
No sorry this combo just doesn't work for me maybe it does for others that can't handle the performance of a real cartridge...
Yes I will admit that the 375Ruger is a good idea and the rifle being designed like it is fills a nitch but it can't do anything that the 375 H&H hasn't done over the last 100 years and the 375RUM stomps it in performance.
No sorry this combo just doesn't work for me maybe it does for others that can't handle the performance of a real cartridge...
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lm sticking to my 375 HH AI.,brass life is extended greatly and it will push any bullet 200 feet faster than the regular 375HH if l want.The ruger is a very potent cartridge Clarke but l think it will go the way of the 300 wsm AND 338 federal ,l know l will get a reply on this one,haha
lm sticking to my 375 HH AI.,brass life is extended greatly and it will push any bullet 200 feet faster than the regular 375HH if l want.The ruger is a very potent cartridge Clarke but l think it will go the way of the 300 wsm AND 338 federal ,l know l will get a reply on this one,haha
There are a couple of simple reasons why the Ruger has more going fo rit than any other .375 out there.
Basically Ruger gave the people what they wanted, and made it available.
The H&H is a great cartridge, of course. But it wasn't very available to "any man." It has stayed with us for 100 years and I don't anticipate it going away any time soon. In fact, I don't see any of the .375's dissapearing, since there are so few commercial options out there.
Weatherby came along wiht the .375 Weatherby, a great cartrdige (just like Bullcoons 375 AI
) unfortunately Weatherby dropped it in favour of the 378 Weatherby.
The .378 Weatherby is the most powerful commercial .375 cartridge available. The RUM performance is between H&H and .378 and it's not surprising that neither of them have been setting sales records, because for the most part, people don't want them or the rifles they come in.
I know Bullcoon likes to snipe moose from way the hell out there with his .375 AI but most people don't use .375"s as long range big game guns.
Weatherbys have always been pretty expensive rifles, and thier ammuntion is VERY costly. The .378 recoils pretty hard, and came with long barrels. The 375 RUM is the same way-Recoils pretty hard, expensive ammo and the barrels are long.
Most people didn't want a long range .375, since they weren't going to snipe at grizzlies, moose and buffalo at 400 yards, anyway....and with the H&H's track record for performance on large game hunting, there wasn't much desire from most hunters for the 378 and RUM. If hunters wanted more power than the H&H, they generally went up in caliber, to .416 ETC.
No, hunters wanted H&H performance in an available, affordable , fairly streamlined modern CRF rifle.
Lots of northern and Alaska guides have been carrying Mdl 70 .375 H&H and .Ruger 338 WM rifles that have been chopped to 20" barrels (look at Boomers rifle- His is the northern guides gun on steroids ) So lots of hunters wanted a sturdy, utilitarian CRF rifle, for bear and moose hunting, but also able to work as a defense gun in close quarters. Enter the Ruger Alaskan.
The other reason most peopel wanted .375 rifles was to go hunt (or dream about hunting) in Africa. The "classic" style rifle will always sell, and the Ruger African fits that bill nicely. And it sports a 23" barrel, not a cumbersome 26" barrel.
Ruger took what people wanted- about .375 H&H performance- and packaged it in 2 rifles that people wanted. And made them affordable for any hunter that really wants one. And that is why the .375 Ruger will be around for a long time, and why it has more going for it than any of the other .375's.
Basically Ruger gave the people what they wanted, and made it available.
The H&H is a great cartridge, of course. But it wasn't very available to "any man." It has stayed with us for 100 years and I don't anticipate it going away any time soon. In fact, I don't see any of the .375's dissapearing, since there are so few commercial options out there.
Weatherby came along wiht the .375 Weatherby, a great cartrdige (just like Bullcoons 375 AI
) unfortunately Weatherby dropped it in favour of the 378 Weatherby. The .378 Weatherby is the most powerful commercial .375 cartridge available. The RUM performance is between H&H and .378 and it's not surprising that neither of them have been setting sales records, because for the most part, people don't want them or the rifles they come in.
I know Bullcoon likes to snipe moose from way the hell out there with his .375 AI but most people don't use .375"s as long range big game guns.
Weatherbys have always been pretty expensive rifles, and thier ammuntion is VERY costly. The .378 recoils pretty hard, and came with long barrels. The 375 RUM is the same way-Recoils pretty hard, expensive ammo and the barrels are long.
Most people didn't want a long range .375, since they weren't going to snipe at grizzlies, moose and buffalo at 400 yards, anyway....and with the H&H's track record for performance on large game hunting, there wasn't much desire from most hunters for the 378 and RUM. If hunters wanted more power than the H&H, they generally went up in caliber, to .416 ETC.
No, hunters wanted H&H performance in an available, affordable , fairly streamlined modern CRF rifle.
Lots of northern and Alaska guides have been carrying Mdl 70 .375 H&H and .Ruger 338 WM rifles that have been chopped to 20" barrels (look at Boomers rifle- His is the northern guides gun on steroids
) So lots of hunters wanted a sturdy, utilitarian CRF rifle, for bear and moose hunting, but also able to work as a defense gun in close quarters. Enter the Ruger Alaskan.The other reason most peopel wanted .375 rifles was to go hunt (or dream about hunting) in Africa. The "classic" style rifle will always sell, and the Ruger African fits that bill nicely. And it sports a 23" barrel, not a cumbersome 26" barrel.
Ruger took what people wanted- about .375 H&H performance- and packaged it in 2 rifles that people wanted. And made them affordable for any hunter that really wants one. And that is why the .375 Ruger will be around for a long time, and why it has more going for it than any of the other .375's.
I think GH hit the nail on the head.
An affordable rifle that gives .375 H&H performance is appealing to folks. I don't think the .375 Ruger would be successful if Winchester made an 8.5 lb Model 70 in the H&H for under $1000 and Remington made an SPS for under $750.
I think the only reason the .300 H&H lost out was because the .300 Win Mag was available in high quality, but less costly rifles.
Quite frankly, I think if you can't get the job done in N. America with a .375 H&H, then it makes no difference if you have a .375 Ruger, .375 Ultra or .378 Wby. Just my 2 cents!
An affordable rifle that gives .375 H&H performance is appealing to folks. I don't think the .375 Ruger would be successful if Winchester made an 8.5 lb Model 70 in the H&H for under $1000 and Remington made an SPS for under $750.
I think the only reason the .300 H&H lost out was because the .300 Win Mag was available in high quality, but less costly rifles.
Quite frankly, I think if you can't get the job done in N. America with a .375 H&H, then it makes no difference if you have a .375 Ruger, .375 Ultra or .378 Wby. Just my 2 cents!
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holy #### Clarke l must say you wrote that very well,are you sure your not the editor for guns and ammo?l know the 375 ruger is not going anywhere but l had to through that in for you, and it is also capable of killing anything on this planet.l also predict that other rifle manufacturers will be chambering this caliber in the next year or two?maybe thats why l have one coming in two months before their extinct haha
holy #### Clarke l must say you wrote that very well,are you sure your not the editor for guns and ammo?l know the 375 ruger is not going anywhere but l had to through that in for you, and it is also capable of killing anything on this planet.l also predict that other rifle manufacturers will be chambering this caliber in the next year or two?maybe thats why l have one coming in two months before their extinct haha
The old king- the 375 H&H requires a longer action.
The NEW KING of the 375's -the 375 Ruger- uses a standard action.
Since when???.....My old made in 1963 Browning Safari 375 has a standard FN Mauser action, has always functioned flawlessly and I might add much smoother than the 375 Ruger Alaskan standing beside it...
Since when???.....My old made in 1963 Browning Safari 375 has a standard FN Mauser action, has always functioned flawlessly and I might add much smoother than the 375 Ruger Alaskan standing beside it...
Yes, the FN used a regular FN action modified to fit longer cartridges, unlike the "Magnum" action Mausers and the CZ/Brno rifles (and others)
But the H&H won't fit in a Ruger standard action without modifications, which is one reason the 375 Ruger came to be.
If your Alaskan is not as smooth as you would prefer, you can use a bit of JB paste and work the action a bit, should smooth out nicely. Or use it for 45 years and it will smooth out, I'm sure.
I've pretty much settled on the 300 TSX but that sounds like an awsome load. Do you remember what the load was?
If your Alaskan is not as smooth as you would prefer, you can use a bit of JB paste and work the action a bit, should smooth out nicely. Or use it for 45 years and it will smooth out, I'm sure.[/QUOTE]
The JB paste option is a better choice than 45 years since I'm over 62, by then my eyesight would likely be failing among other things.
Actually it belongs to my brother in the Yukon....he's letting me play with it for a while before he re-barrels it....
[/QUOTE]The JB paste option is a better choice than 45 years since I'm over 62, by then my eyesight would likely be failing among other things.
Actually it belongs to my brother in the Yukon....he's letting me play with it for a while before he re-barrels it....
