375CT or 416 Taylor

Might consider the 425 Express. Seems to be brass and dies for it.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/548796/quality-cartridge-reloading-brass-425-express-box-of-20

http://www.huntingtons.com/dies_specialorder.html

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Slamfire said:
Right, a 375 Chatfield Taylor. I was wondering how anyone could fire a 375 CheyTac in a sporting rifle without getting a traumatic brain or thoracic injury or both. :p
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You could easily. Even in 10 lb rifle the recoil wouldn't be as bad as the parent case, the 505 Gibbs and only a hair more than a 410gr 416 Rigby at the traditional 2400 fps.
 
I was thinking of an 8 lb rifle. Recoil speed of the rifle from conservation of momentum -

375 CheyTac: 3100 fps x 350 gr / (8 lb x 7000 gr/lb) = 19.4 fps

505 Gibbs: 2300 fps x 525 gr / (8 lb x 7000 gr/lb) = 21.6 fps

Rather stiff recoil but bearable. :p
 
I'd love a 450/400 and started an account to buy a double rifle so chambered. Ardent had a great idea of having a stock custom made on a ruger #1 as the factory ruger stocks just don't seem to feel right for me

I shot a 425 express once. A westly Richards. Gorgeous gun. Way Out of my price range lol.
A generous member here has offered to let me shoot his 505 which I wish to take him up on the offer this year

I prefer big heavy bullets at modest velocity. I like to be different and I hunt mainly black bear in Ontario but will get into moose hunting eventually.

I'd like a gun for the crappy weather and all around hunting that I can strap to the quad and go. Something without so much sentimental value. I use all of my guns but I do admit to babying some more than others.
Basically I want a working gun in a mid bore caliber. The Stevens 200 type of gun. My 25/06 Stevens has been thru hell and back and I've taken quite a lot of game with it. The barrel is just about toast so it'll get a new barrel. It will remain a 25/06. I'm wanting a bigger brother with modest legs for heavier game. It'll see field use on those days were I wouldn't normally take out my 458 wm and when there's a chance of needing more distance than my sxs 45/70. It's regulated for 35 yards. Past a 125 yards I have to start arching in and leading stationary targets. I've been very interested in th Taylor rounds and think they're perfect for my needs. Wm brass family is cheap. The standard action is way cheaper than a real magnum action that the real Rigby requires.
A 375 hh just seems to simple and easy. Every time I start looking at a 375 hh I get that well for a little bit more I can get this rifle and then before I know it I'm looking at rifles outside of what I'd want to use them for. If i beat up a Boyds stock I just order another or bondo any deep gouges. It's not that easy with a $1000 walnut blank you spent 6 months waiting to be shaped at a not cheap rate. Trust me I'd rather have that custom sako but when I'm in need of a pry bar to help get my quad unstuck risking snapping a cheap laminate stock is a risk I'm willing to take

Doug. This 375/300 you speak of is it just a simple necked up 300 like your 9.3/300? I believe we talked once awhile back about going that way with a 40 cal. Your responses leaned me back toward the 416 Taylor.
A good friend needed a moose rifle and borrowed that particular gun I was going to use. He took his first bull with it so I sold him the rifle.
Now I'm being offered another in a trade and my mind is rolling again
 
Slamfire said:
I was thinking of an 8 lb rifle. Recoil speed of the rifle from conservation of momentum -

375 CheyTac: 3100 fps x 350 gr / (8 lb x 7000 gr/lb) = 19.4 fps

505 Gibbs: 2300 fps x 525 gr / (8 lb x 7000 gr/lb) = 21.6 fps

Rather stiff recoil but bearable. :p
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I did the math for a 10 lb rifle which would still be a hair on the light side for most Gibbs sporters.
 
A little more weight reduces perceived recoil for sure. My 458 Lott Sako AV Hunter weighs about 9.5 lbs. Lots of fun to fire 500gr bullets at 2350 fps MV but I would rather not risk cracking the stock so I back it off to 1900 fps for hunting.

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Slamfire said:
A little more weight reduces perceived recoil for sure. My 458 Lott Sako AV Hunter weighs about 9.5 lbs. Lots of fun to fire 500gr bullets at 2350 fps MV but I would rather not risk cracking the stock so I back it off to 1900 fps for hunting.

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Shouldn't have to worry about cracking the stock so long as you keep it out of a lead sled.
 
My 416 Taylor will soon be shot - Its built on a Weatherby Vanguard action - #5 Bob Jury SS Barrel finished at 22.5 " - Stock is a New B&C with full aluminum bedding block Black with Red Blood already spilled on it - LOL - Timney Trigger - brno284 ( Mitch) did the smith work - chambered - threaded mounted the barrel- trued the action and bolt face etc - I Have a Leupold VX111 1.75-6 scope to use with a rail and Warne Rings . I just have to open up the B&C barrel channel to fit the #5 barrel and bed the barrel & action- then its off to the range - I have proper Jamieson Headstamped brass for hunting ammo and i have a bunch of 300-458 win brass sized to play with ! C-FBMI donated to the project ! THKs Doug ! :) I hope to KILL Bears with Barnes 400 Gr X bullets and or Horn 400 gr DGX ers . A Very SPECIAL thanks to REMBO on here for the use of the reamer to get the job Done ! :d

Cheers RJ
 
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remington jim said:
My 416 Taylor will soon be shot - Its built on a Weatherby Vanguard action - #5 Bob Jury SS Barrel finished at 22.5 " - Stock is a New B&C with full aluminum bedding block Black with Red Blood already spilled on it - LOL - Timney Trigger - brno284 ( Mitch) did the smith work - chambered - threaded mounted the barrel- trued the action and bolt face etc - I Have a Leupold VX111 1.75-6 scope to use with a rail and Warne Rings . I just have to open up the B&C barrel channel to fit the #5 barrel and bed the barrel & action- then its off to the range - I have proper Jamieson Headstamped brass for hunting ammo and i have a bunch of 300-458 win brass sized to play with ! C-FBMI donated to the project ! THKs Doug ! :) I hope to KILL Bears with Barnes 400 Gr X bullets and or Horn 400 gr DGX ers . A Very SPECIAL thanks to REMBO on here for the use of the reamer to get the job Done ! :d

Cheers RJ
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Cool rifle! Photos would be nice. :cool:

There's an interesting article in the 12th edition of Handloader's Digest - The 416 Remington Magnum: Load it for Bear. Field results indicated that 300gr bullets at ~2800 fps MV are absolutely devastating on Big Bear and are considered to be far superior to 400gr loads.

The author tells of a story where a client had wounded a big Kodiak (it squared 10' 5") with 3 shots from a 300 WM and it ran. They tracked it into a stand of alders and when it appeared the guide nailed it with a high speed 300gr bullet, dropping the Bear dead in its tracks.

Excellent results with 300gr X bullets in my 416's on Elk and Moose - typically 1 shot instant kills out to intermediate ranges.
 
If i go 416 I'd use lighter bullets 300-350gr.
Figure 45/70 to a 75 yards. 458 wm to 225 yards. Either a 375 or 416 to 300 yards and my 300 wm out to 400 yards should have me covered depending where I hunt. I usually bring 2 rifles with me while bear hunting. Sometimes 3 if grouse are in season
 
Big Doug had a bunch of those 300gr X Bullets loaded up to blistering in his 416 Rigby when we went to RSA. You can really pour the coals to them if you so desire thanks to the giant case.
 
3000 fps MV is achievable with 300gr bullets in a 24" barrel 416 RM using a medium burn rate powder such as Reloder15. The 416 Rigby requires slower burn rate powders and uses about 20% more to achieve 3000 fps MV.
 
I was able to get 2420 fps from my 416 Taylor with both 400 gn Barnes originals and 410 gn Hornady solids from a 23 or 24" barrel and used these loads with no issue in 45 deg heat. Don't recall the powder but it was a ball powder I remember that.
 
Interesting article in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridges on the 416 Taylor. The rifle used by the author (John Wooters) is built on an FFV-Carl Gustaf magnum action and stock. I would guess case volume is about the same as the 416 Ruger. 2400+ fps is achievable with 400gr bullets -

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SuperCub said:
I agree ....... For myself buying a 375Ruger would have been waaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than going the custom 375CT route.
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Impatience always costs more money.

And remember how you were trying to talk me out of the Ruger and into a 375 CT? Laugh2

Ah.... the good ol' days..................... The intraweb was so small back thenl.:bigHug:
 
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