38 S&W bullet needed

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Loading for a Victory model .38 S&W. I'm looking for a 145gr lead round nose flat base or hollow base .358 bullet. Failing that, can anyone recommend any of the Bullet Barn choices?

I haven't reloaded for this calibre yet, and I plan to start with 2.0 gr of W231; if you also have some pet loads for this round, by all means share. My shooting will be done at 25m, maybe even 50m.
 
I'VE GOT IN THE BASEMENT A 1976 Lyman cast bullet book. I'll dig it up Friday. Send me pm to jog my memory, and I'll get the loads. They have 200 grain and 158 grain listed if my memory is correct. 358 dia.

If Lois could size the 158 grain RNFP to 358 that would work.
 
Ugly 38S&W

The 38S&W was Britain's answer to the vastly superior .38special cartidge. They believed that the 38-200 good and they chambered their Enfield top break revolvers in that caliber. Typically firing a 200 grain .360 lead round nose lead bullet, however, the .38spl with a 158 grain SWC would easily outperform the Brit's mistake evey time.
Bullets for the 38S&W are .306-.361 compared to the 38spl's .357 or .358. Plus, the 38spl cartridge could be loaded hotter to the +P configuration. Anyway, the 38S&W uses a bullet that is not smaller than .360...
 
I don't think it matters if the 38 Special outperforms the 38 S&W...that's not what the military was looking for at the time. If it was all about a superior cartridge, we would all just get a 500 S&W and call it a day.:p

According to Wiki (how correct this is, I don't know)

After the First World War, there was a move away from the larger .455 caliber. The professional core of the pre-war British Army had been decimated and replaced by a larger and mostly conscripted force. It was recognized that the short training period available to the new recruits did not give them time to become proficient with the large-bore .455 revolvers, and that a smaller caliber would be easier for new recruits to develop competence with in pistol shooting.

British Army initial specifications submitted to ammunition manufacturers for the .38/200 military loading were as follows:

Cartridge: .38 S&W (.38-200)
Bullet: (Mk I) 200 grain, lead alloy, lubricated
Muzzle Velocity: 625 FPS (+ or – 25 FPS) from 4-inch (102 mm) barrel.
Chamber Pressure: 13,000 PSI (Max.)
Webley demonstrated a lighter version of their Mk III revolver with modified .38 S&W ammunition, firing a heavy 200-grain (13 g) bullet, later known as the 380/200. It received favorable reports from the Army and the revolver was accepted in principle.

As Webley had used the .38 S&W cartridge dimensions for their revolver, and the cartridge length was fixed by the size of the cylinder of the revolver (the same as for the wider .455), Kynoch produced a cartridge with the same dimensions as the .38 S&W but with 2.8 grains (0.18 g) of "Neonite" nitrocellulose powder and a 200 grain (13.0 g) bullet. This combination gave a velocity of 630 ft/s (189 m/s) at the muzzle, and over 570 feet (170 m) per second at 50 yards (46 m). In tests performed on cadavers and live animals, it was found that the lead bullet, being overly long and heavy for its calibre, become unstable after penetrating the target, somewhat increasing target effect. The relatively low velocity allowed all of the energy of the cartridge to be spent inside the human target, rather than penetrating completely. This was deemed satisfactory and the design for the .38/200 cartridge was accepted as the "380/200 Cartridge, Revolver Mk I".
 
my old S&W 38s&w slugs at .358. I gather around that value is pretty typical. My 38 enfield is a little larger at .360. Use regular .357 or .358 swc or whatever and you'll probably get accuracy that's just fine. I find mine needs to be really clean. After 50rds it is diminished, after 100rds it is crap.The sights on the S&W are not great at 25yds nevermind 50. I use 1.8gr of reddot with 158gr swc. If loading for just a S&W (not 80 yr old enfield breaktop) that can go higher. I found even the starting load for this combination in the new speer manual to be way too hot.
 
I've found a source for a 160gr RN .360 bullet. Contact member "timberhunter" for more info. When I get these loaded up I'll make some sort of range report for the results when the snow melts enough to get to the range.

The sights on the S&W are not great at 25yds nevermind 50.

That's putting it mildly! But I'm an optimist...
 
There's a group buy going on over at castboolits for a 200 grain .361 roundnose but it won't be in production for some time.

I just checked it out. They are gonna have 3 different style options, and multiple cavity quantity options. I am signed up, am waiting for a response from the guy organizing it.
 
I load .38 for both Webley +s&w. The Webley has a larger bore. For the webley I use 3.8 gr. unique, 158 gr. lee sw,tumble lubed, o.a.l. 1.16 This gives average vel.750 fps. Good acurracy in webley, its hot enough tobump the bullets up. Its too hot for S&W. For the S&W I use the same bullet and use 2.7gr. unique ave.670 fps. This load will keyhole in Webley. For our blackpowder pistol match,I use 8.5 gr/7c.c Pyrodex p same bullet but extra lube 620fps works good inWebley never tried it inS&W, factory loadave 580 fps inWebley. Hope this helps. P.S I'd keep these loads away from any old top breaks,
 
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