390 yard moose kill

There are sub-calibre bullets available from "Precision Rifle" Cdn co. by the way). A .40 cal spitzer tip in a double sabot that are for .50 cal rifles

If there are any bullets that could be effective at that distance it would be their 175 grain "Dead Centre" bullet.
 
We still don't know if he was shooting a ball or some kind of modern-style bullet. I shoot a 600gr Whitworth bullet out to 1200 yards, one that weighs 500gr and is designed specifically for long range shooting. However, hitting a precise spot at 400 yards is still a real challenge, let alone the six-inch diameter target of a moose heart in a half-concealed animal on a distant murky mountainside.

I'm still not totally convinced, me.

tac
 
burnt_servo said:
he was shooting up hill , that would shorten the distance up a bit in terms of bullet drop .......


but I noticed makes me think it is fake ......

where is the "thud" after the shot , when the bullet strikes the moose ?

I would expect a 50 caliber bullet to make a decent amount of impact noise ...... unless the lower velocity of the muzzle loader takes away from that . for what it is worth the video really feels similar to any thing reality based from discovery channel ( in other words fake )
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I killed a WT buck at a looong 200 yrds with a .54 muzzleloader (scoped & it was 5 min. before end of season ,needed some meat, desperation shot) and a full grown mature Mule at 245 paces with a BP 45-70 (also scoped but with one of those 36"long "period replicas" from Tasco)). heard both bullets strike, the muzzle loader conical sounded the same as a bat hitting a soft ball, a very distinct "crack". Both bullets were complete pass thu's and not recovered, both deer made a jump or two and died. The muzzle loader was lined up for 90 yrds and can remember holding over the bucks back until I could just see a thin line of hair still in the viewfinder when I pulled the trigger.
 
tacfoley said:
We still don't know if he was shooting a ball or some kind of modern-style bullet. I shoot a 600gr Whitworth bullet out to 1200 yards, one that weighs 500gr and is designed specifically for long range shooting. However, hitting a precise spot at 400 yards is still a real challenge, let alone the six-inch diameter target of a moose heart in a half-concealed animal on a distant murky mountainside.

I'm still not totally convinced, me.

tac
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Hydrostatic shock from supersonic projectiles is not necessary or even sufficient to kill big game; blood loss and/or destruction of major organs are. Thus, the heavy large-calibre bullets will do the required damage, even at long range when they are moving at a speed considered slow by many. But as you point out, it's the problem of hitting a pie-plate-sized kill-zone at those distances that makes those shots questionable.
 
Don't sell them short. I watched a Camp Wainwright bull moose fall from a 300 gr XTP with a Knight DISC in 2008. My rangefinder said 252 yards, and we routinely tagged mule deer in excess of 200. 390 is doable but all the stars have to be in alignment.
 
something else I noticed as a back ground noise ......

take 4 or 5 rounds and rattle them in your hand ...... then listen to the back ground noise in the video , that sound comes a few times .

the video is also cut a few times .

so this combined with the lack of impact noise , (the animal also does NOT flinch , like one would on impact of a bullet ) and the extreme distance makes me think the whole thing is staged
 
timandkimandshea said:
Did he not say "290 yards", in which case a lot more do-able?
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The guide does say 290 and then he dials the scope to 300, but as the footage cuts to a different viewpoint for the shot that part is probably a "re-enactment" staged for the camera. The footage of the kill shot shows a little smoke from the black powder, then as the camera zooms back out it does look like it was quite a long shot. Who knows what the actual distance was. Further than I'd shoot with my smoke pole.
 
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Folks who shoot scope-sighted guns like that are not likely to be using patched round balls because to be accurate the velocity must be kept down to be compatible with the typical faster twist rifling. If I had to guess he was using 3 of the 50 gr pellets and a sabotted conical slug for max accuracy and velocity in that inline. Why would he use anything else? As for the distance: I would have to have seen the shot for myself, thank you very much. Not much recoil evident either, IIRC.
 
The whole thing is a farce..... Obvious reenactment as far as the shots of the hunter.... They say he reloads and prepares for a second shot, but in the video they make it look as if he moves directly from his first shot to his second....
 
I have to agree that the video can't be telling the truth but it must be real footage of the actual hunt because there can be no re-enacting with moose.
Could someone do a short commentary of what must be happening during the actual shooting? Like: "First shot misses completely! Second shot misses!"
"Someone shoot that moose with the guide's gun!"
 
I must have linked to/ watched a different vid than others have. Very plainly stated 290-300 yrds not 390 as is being ridiculed. Just because the second re-load is edited out doesn't mean it didn't happen and as for the Bull not showing any effect from the shot doesn't surprise me even a little bit...Ive seen deer shot with 300 and 8MM mags that didn't show any signs of being hit until they dropped...in this case all that has to happen is the slug enter the rib cage and start the blood loss program however long that is going to take... The second shot may have speeded up the process but not have been needed in the long run.

Anybody that doesn't think a 1200 fps 450 gr bullet isn't going to kill a moose with a boiler room shot at that distance hasn't had enough experience with big slow slugs to judge that kill.
 
Title of video clearly says......."Project Yukon 390 yard moose kill" so either they didn't title it properly or they falsely advertised a 290 yard moose kill as being 390 yards take your pick
 
beefman said:
There are sub-calibre bullets available from "Precision Rifle" Cdn co. by the way). A .40 cal spitzer tip in a double sabot that are for .50 cal rifles

If there are any bullets that could be effective at that distance it would be their 175 grain "Dead Centre" bullet.
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I have used and will say the folks at Precision are doing some really interesting stuff with muzzleloaders and long ranges. I started shooting the 195grn Duplex, Dead centres, 357x 50 sabots in my Encore about 3 years ago and can say these things shoot flat and hit like a truck. Sighted for 50yds and back on at 150yds and at no time is the bullet more than 2 inches high and yes i have shot it to 200yds at a little more than and inch low. Longest deer yet was 175 and a complete pass thru breaking a shoulder on the way out. Pure lead out preforms jacketed bullets at lower velocities has been my experience. Further, I light the powder with small rifle primers to eliminate the flyers caused by shotgun primers unseating the bullet before complete ignition. I will say a 390 shot would be a stretch and as stated all the stars would be in line and and angel on your shoulder

Bought a 54 Knight this fall and after talking to the local guru he stated you will be lucky to get a 54 to group with heavy bullets let alone those fancy things(referring to the duplex sabots). After trying some 240grns with reasonable result I thought why not try the 195 dead centres. Took a 54x45 sabot and the 357x45 Dead Centre and micrometered them and they were within a thou or two of the 54x45 loads so down they go. After a couple shots to determine powder I put 5 in a 1.5 inch circle at 50 yds and 3 of those were offhand. Later in the week dumped a 5 pointer at 75 yds and the result was nothing but devastating.
If you want to stretch a muzzleloader these bullets will do it if you do your homework and hold true. The above results are with 80(Knight)-100(Encore) grns of triple 7 so if you were to experiment with Blackhorn or larger doses of Triple 7 who knows what might be possible.
 
My shooting partner and I were working up a load for a Parker Hale Whitworth ,he was shooting 90-100 gr 2f goex The bullet weight was around 480gr paper patched.
loading was done with out a scale for seating pressure on top of the powder card,wad,bullet combo .
longrange vernier rear sight with globe front with spirit level.

He was hitting a 12" bull at 500 yds.....the group was all over the place but in the 12"

It can be done with lots of shooting time and a spotter with a scope

My personal best was 357yds with a 7mm mag scoped with a shooting rest on a big interlake whitetail
165 yds open field shot on a fat doe with a 58cal kodiak rifle
 
Most Moose are obliterated by the front sight post when 300 yards away, to take a shot at an animal 90 more yards is irresponsible. There are rifles and optic combinations that enable us mere mortals to take shots at that distance all day long, but a front stuffer,BP rifle isn't one of those options. (IMHO) Also, what is a feat on a target shouldn't be attempted in the field.
 
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