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What is recommended for a carbine to see if i like to shoot 3gun? I have the shotgun and pistol covered but don't have a carbine as of yet. I've been looking at the norincos but kind of have my eyes on one of the NEA's What i need to know is what is everyone using as far as barrel length and such. What works and what doesn't. I have an eotech looking for a home but is something with magnification better?

Help me out gentlemen.
 
I remember looking at my first AR15, and its a lot to take in.

Rest assured, you may not get it right the first time around, but its okay to upgrade down the road.

If you're in the $700-800 range, NEA or Norinco are your choices. Probably looking at something with a 16" barrel and a decent comp. Anything will work out of the box, don't get too hung up on the details.

Optics will absolutely be personal preference, whether its a dot, scope or irons. If you're shooting over 100m, a lot of guys are running a 1-4x scope these days.
 
For a few years I used a 16" 1:9 RRA flat top
After trying a few different sights/scopes/EoTech I've settled on a 1-4 power optic.
This past year I've moved to a 20" free floated 1:8 with the 1-4 optic and an "American Gold" trigger.
Never seen the need for a brake... It's .223 for Pete's sake...
Whatever you get you may wish to avoid Norinco or barrels less than 16" if you ever decide to travel to the USA to shoot...
 
667 said:
For a few years I used a 16" 1:9 RRA flat top
After trying a few different sights/scopes/EoTech I've settled on a 1-4 power optic.
This past year I've moved to a 20" free floated 1:8 with the 1-4 optic and an "American Gold" trigger.
Never seen the need for a brake... It's .223 for Pete's sake...
Whatever you get you may wish to avoid Norinco or barrels less than 16" if you ever decide to travel to the USA to shoot...
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So then a 16" barrel non-norinco once I get some experience shooting 3 gun. If its as much fun as I've had so far, my line of credit is in trouble. I will keep my eyes on the EE to see what pops up. How often are shoots held in the US? And can anyone recommend a good divorce lawyer? Preferably a fellow cgn'er who understands this affair.
 
Rooky said:
So then a 16" barrel non-norinco once I get some experience shooting 3 gun. If its as much fun as I've had so far, my line of credit is in trouble. I will keep my eyes on the EE to see what pops up. How often are shoots held in the US? And can anyone recommend a good divorce lawyer? Preferably a fellow cgn'er who understands this affair.
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Sure... 16" or longer and yeah, no Chinese guns.
I suppose you could shoot a match a week in the USA depending on how far you want to travel....
For 3gun info google Enos forums and 3gun nation.
 
If you have an eotech already, use it for now until you have shot a few matches or longer. I hunt muzzleloader with a 1-4 power and often wonder if I would prefer that scope on my AR than the eotech I am currently using. I'm shooting a flat top 16" RRA as well. With only a few matches shot so far, I am more than content with my current setup...there is so much to learn, and what I really need is more time to practice than upgraded equipment.
 
No Tavor's or Swiss Arm's or CZ 858's for shooting in the US either... Thank Clinton for that too.
...although the Tavor and 858 are great 3 gun rifles on this side of the boarder :S
 
One other possible consideration.. if you want to compete in the US, you'll need a Form 6NIA, and at present they haven't been allowing Chinese manufactured firearms in. A call to the ATF will get you a curent ruling though. Only other restriction is that "sporting long arms" are defined as 16" (or greater) length barrels.
 
+1, if you have plans on competing in the States, Norcs are not permitted (and short-barrelled ARs are prohibited, perhaps??)

For the few times I 3-gun, if I owned a Glock, I'd consider a carbine kit for it... same ammo, same gun, just a few accessories to bolt-on. (Like turning a pair of pliers into a leatherman)
 
No VZ58's? Or 858's with long barrels?

Odd, since VZ's are for sale in the US too.

Also odd about the Tavors, I thought Barrett was trying to get some into the USA?

Also odd that while I could understand them wanting to prevent their citizens from getting certain guns or allowing sales for certain companies...that they'd care what a foreigner owns and brings into the country for a weekend.

Aw well, it's their country, their laws!
 
sulisa said:
For the few times I 3-gun, if I owned a Glock, I'd consider a carbine kit for it... same ammo, same gun, just a few accessories to bolt-on. (Like turning a pair of pliers into a leatherman)
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Unlike in Canada where we consider a handgun with a stock to be legally a handgun...

...in the USA a handgun with a stock is considered more dangerous, and must be registered with a $200 tax stamp. It's a very serious offense there to just put a stock on a Glock (or any other handgun) without having the NFA permission. I can't recall if this is considered a "SBR short barrel rifle" or if it's a different part of their NFA laws.

It's not practical for a Canadian going to compete for a few matches, to do this Glock/stock combo. Besides, your cost would put you in competition with cheaper rifles anyway, since the stocks are around $500-ish, then add in a $200 US tax stamp for around $700-ish.

Maybe an SU-16 deserves a second look?
 
RickR1100 said:
Unlike in Canada where we consider a handgun with a stock to be legally a handgun...

...in the USA a handgun with a stock is considered more dangerous, and must be registered with a $200 tax stamp. It's a very serious offense there to just put a stock on a Glock (or any other handgun) without having the NFA permission. I can't recall if this is considered a "SBR short barrel rifle" or if it's a different part of their NFA laws.

It's not practical for a Canadian going to compete for a few matches, to do this Glock/stock combo. Besides, your cost would put you in competition with cheaper rifles anyway, since the stocks are around $500-ish, then add in a $200 US tax stamp for around $700-ish.

Maybe an SU-16 deserves a second look?
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Thanks for that - I wasn't aware. No, definitely not worth the additional headaches when a perfectly serviceable carbine can be had.

(Let's turn this pair of pliers into a Leatherman, but then throw a pile of hoops at you to jump through because it could conceivable disassemble a city transit bus while you're riding it, or some other mischief ;) )
 
sulisa said:
if I owned a Glock, I'd consider a carbine kit for it... same ammo, same gun, just a few accessories to bolt-on.
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That's not really in line with the spirit of the game...

It's 3-gun
Shotgun, Handgun and Rifle..
What you'd have there is Shotgun Handgun and handgun... Albeit a handgun with some kind of shoulder stock... It's still a handgun.

B'side... you'd be setting yourseld up for some disappointment.
I doubt many can make a 300yrd shot with a 9mm pistol shoulder stock or no.
 
667 said:
That's not really in line with the spirit of the game...

It's 3-gun

B'side... you'd be setting yourseld up for some disappointment.
I doubt many can make a 300yrd shot with a 9mm pistol shoulder stock or no.
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Yes I asked about those Skinny Slims they were 2" x 14" with a 4" circle. They looked like a very small mini popper.

Oh and we were shooting at them at 260 yards downhill. :eek:
 
black said:
Yes I asked about those Skinny Slims they were 2" x 14" with a 4" circle. They looked like a very small mini popper.

Oh and we were shooting at them at 260 yards downhill. :eek:
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Kinda like this...?

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Yeah... Those little bastards were a challenge to hit... Of course then you see a buddy in Heavy Metal div. wastin' 'em all with his iron sighted .30 cal M14 and you realize how bad you suck at teh schutzen-fest. :D
 
Great info posted already, but I'll give my $.02 for what its worth.

If you plan on shooting with optics, then a 16 or 18 inch barrel will work fine, and keep you over the minimum length required to take the rifle to the US (which you will, once the 3-gun bug infects you)

I shoot primarily with iron sights.
My current configuration is a 16 barrel, with my front sight all the way at the end of my barrel, right behind the comp.
Key to iron sights is sight radius. The longer the better.

While the 16" barrel hasn't hindered my performance to date, I intend to start competing at more events in the US where targets will be easily at 400-500 yards.
My new configuration is a 20" barrel with the sight all the way at the end.
4" more sight radius. It can only help.

Also, the 4" should help give me some more muzzle velocity which will help with long distance target engagement.

I was shocked to see how slow the factory ammo was chronoing out of my 16" barrel, and the bullet drop at 300+ yards.

Longer barrel as well as loading my own should help make me a little more competitive.

All I need now is to win the lottery so that I can have the time and $ to actually practice.
 
pauls said:
My new configuration is a 20" barrel with the sight all the way at the end.
4" more sight radius. It can only help.
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If you look around at all the majors and read what the interwebs say... 20" seeems to be the favoured barrel in this game length...

I shot the O3GC with a 20" 1:8 using my handloaded 75gr BTHP's.. Muzzle vel. was just under 2800fps.
Very satisfying when that heavier bullet wacks the steel targets. No mistaking hit's/misses.
 
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