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I second his craziness
It all revolves around practice and practice with all of their systems.
3gunners rebelling towards 2guns
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I second his craziness
It all revolves around practice and practice with all of their systems.
You stop that...
I'd be fine with 300M rifle shots
What you want a 300M pistol shot?
We can make that happen
Ideally a fully automatic stage gun.
Use lite loads lol
We don't lump everyone together as one huge division.
But imho why people want 2 gun is they are to lazy to practice loading and to cheap to get good caddies. Taccom ships to Canada and they are great for the price
I've invested in decent shotgun stuff with a Versa-max tactical and Safariland Model 086 shotgun caddies, but could take or leave shotgun in a match.
Thing is, shotgun is short range shooting same as pistols.
If there was a two-gun match with higher round counts of both pistol and rifle, I'd rather do mag changes than gun changes.
Now if a 3-gun match came about with short (pistol from 0-25m), medium (rifle from 35-200m), and long range (300-5/600m) - I could get into that.
Thing is, shotgun is short range shooting same as pistols.
If there was a two-gun match with higher round counts of both pistol and rifle, I'd rather do mag changes than gun changes.
Now if a 3-gun match came about with short (pistol from 0-25m), medium (rifle from 35-200m), and long range (300-5/600m) - I could get into that.
Shotgun is my favourite part of 3 Gun. I am a recoil wimp and I have no issues with either my Mossberg 590 or Stoeger M3K. For me, the biggest difference you can make is a decent recoil pad. The Mossberg came with a great one from the factory, and I added a LimbSaver to the M3K - made all of the difference in the world.
As for those who comment about the cost of shooting SG... $400 will get you a decent pump and 12GA target loads are about the cheapest factory ammo you can buy (besides 22LR).
If I had to choose 2 Guns, my M3K would be one of them!
I think the average shooter just can't handle the complexity of the shotgun, hence the reason they don't like it. There is birdshot, buckshot and slugs, choke selection. Not to mention the sight options, bead, fibre optic, mid bead.
Throw in a stage that has birdshot and slugs, or birdshot and buckshot or buckshot and slugs the average shooters mind just melts down. Hence the reason the point and click options with the Glocks and Ar15's topped with their red dot sight of choice, that the 2 gunners choose. IMHO!
Throw in a stage that has birdshot and slugs, or birdshot and buckshot or buckshot and slugs the average shooters mind just melts down. Hence the reason the point and click options with the Glocks and Ar15's topped with their red dot sight of choice, that the 2 gunners choose. IMHO!
Follow-up on this topic. I had sensed since my original post that there was something amiss with the explanations I was hearing. Full credit to the InRange guys, they came out and clarified what is dodgy about the preference for 2gun in this video (timestamp 1h32m):
Applying the logic for preferring 2gun to 3gun, you have to then apply it again and come to the conclusion that 2gun is not the 'correct' form of shooting match. 1gun is the answer.
Interestingly the organization that has more experience at shooting matches than any other in history has been configured this way for many years. IPSC runs 1gun handgun, 1gun shotgun, and 1gun rifle.
I've md'd a couple of 3-gun matches and try to make them interesting for everyone but every time there's atleast 10 percent of the participants who whine. Long range targets too small not enough hoser stages too much shotgun etc, I tell them to to the next one and set it up as you wish and still no one volunteers. This is a competitive sport some of us take it very seriously but still want others to have fun but it can't turn into the blue ribbon give away that youth sport has become.
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That sounds like a very cool arrangement! Semi-auto for the medium and bolt action for the long range...that would be fun for sure!
Who says you need a dedicated ARO?
Don't you know how to load your shotgun without supervision?
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Still Alive, I'll be at LB again this year. Come find me at the match, I'd be more than happy to help you out with anything you need. Shouldn't be too hard to find, lol.
I love the SG in 3-gun and love it when they have all shotgun stages. I generally suck at it (read yard sale quad loads lol) because I don't practice enough with the shotgun but still love it as I like to challenge myself. If things are easy they are not worth doing!!
LMAO - very funny and true sometimes.
This brought back memories when running and organizing my own matches in IPSC.
I think you need to add that all MDs should welcome spending days in advance to set up matches that are interesting and exciting with as many heavy props to move as possible and spend days to take them down after.
The MDs also need to gratefully accept criticism for improvements on the design of match with no thought of the extra work or logistics involved.
Match Directors should find ways to offer as many reshoots as possible since many competitors seldom give their best performance in the first run.
Competitors also are entitled to lightening fast results after they are done since standing around waiting after is a drag.
The MDs should run said matches as inexpensively as possible with as low a match entry fee as possible but still keep it high quality.
All MDs need to understand the necessity of furnishing interesting props even to the extent of using your own furniture or vehicles or other articles you own. Don't start whining about how rough on equipment competitors can be.
Have a full compliment of tools available for people to work on their guns whenever necessary.
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