4 Americans, 2 Canadians fined $50K for illegal moose hunting in northern Ont.

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I know this is legal in some parts of Canada, but shooting from a power boat is a big no-no in Ontario (exceptions for waterfowl). Lots of other violations to boot. The outfitters should have known better, and should have been put out of business imo.

https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/four-americans-two-canadians-fined-50k-for-illegal-moose-hunting-in-northern-ont-1.6258946?fbclid=IwAR3tqWW6ZKERA-nRlXrYJ5j6EilKuc6uwh78DygeBu7yeqEfN1vG_jT4f3c

An investigation that lasted almost two years has resulted in moose hunting violation convictions for six people and a lodge in Red Lake in northwestern Ontario.

The 21-month investigation was a joint effort between the United States Fish and Wildlife Service and Ontario’s Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry, according to a news release from the ministry Friday.

A court heard that in October of 2019 a conservation officer stopped two men from Minnesota -- Anthony Schmitt and Robert Hommerding – who were travelling south of Red Lake on Highway 105 with a cow moose, according .

“It was determined that they were hunting with Geary’s Sportsman’s Lodge,” the ministry said in a news release Friday.

“The moose was shot from a boat and in the wrong wildlife management unit. A subsequent investigation into the 2017 to 2019 hunting activity at Geary’s Sportsman’s Lodge was initiated.”

Working with U.S. authorities, conservation officers determined that between 2017 and 2019, numerous moose were shot at from boats while hunters were being guided.

All six individuals and the corporation’s guilty pleas involving illegal and unsafe moose hunting were heard by various justices of the peace over 21 months in the Ontario Court of Justice in Red Lake.

Brett Geary of Red Lake, pleaded guilty to two counts of discharging a firearm from a boat. He received $10,000 in fines and a four-year hunting licence suspension.

Geary’s Sportsman’s Lodge on Little Vermilion Lake, north of Red Lake, pleaded guilty to two counts of discharging a firearm from a boat and received $24,000 in fines.

Schmitt of Saint Cloud, Min., pleaded guilty to discharging a firearm from a boat, hunting big game with no licence and possessing illegally killed wildlife. He received $8,500 in fines and a seven-year hunting licence suspension.

Gary Anderson of Saint Cloud, Minn., pleaded guilty to discharging a firearm from a boat and possessing illegally killed wildlife. He received $3,500 in fines and a three-year hunting suspension.

Paul Kruchten of Clearwater, Minn., pleaded guilty to discharging a firearm from a boat and possessing illegally killed wildlife. He received $2,000 in fines and a two-year hunting suspension.

Hommerding of Saint Cloud, Minn., pleaded guilty to discharging a firearm from a boat. He was fined $1,000 and a two-year hunting suspension.

Ryan Scott of Red Lake pleaded guilty to discharging a firearm from a boat. He was fined $1,200.

In addition to the individual fines, $12,550 in victim surcharge fines were levied against the six individuals and the corporation.
 
Why would the Americans be charged ?

How the heck would they know discharging from a boat is illegal.......imagine paying big bucks to go hunting in another country/province, then wind up in court for years, suspensions and big fines

Surely they won't be back to Canada for hunting and will tell all their friends how brutal this country is, that's what the Liberals want though.

This should all fall on the outfitter
 
Why would the Americans be charged ?

How the heck would they know discharging from a boat is illegal.......imagine paying big bucks to go hunting in another country/province, then wind up in court for years, suspensions and big fines

Surely they won't be back to Canada for hunting and will tell all their friends how brutal this country is, that's what the Liberals want though.

This should all fall on the outfitter

Uhm.....common sense maybe ???

This isn't Somalia.
 
Hunting from a boat or canoe is legal in Ontario, you just can't have a motor attached. The exception is waterfowl, where you can have a motor, but the boat can't be in motion.

I agree that the onus should fall on the outfitter. It's not reasonable to expect somebody visiting for a week or so to know every nuance of the law. Unless it came out during the investigation that the hunters were aware of the law and chose to ignore it with the participation of the outfitter.
 
I can see the outfitter facing some serious lawsuits in the not to distant future. They ought to have known better.
 
In Ontario you can’t hunt big game that are swimming, nor can you hunt anything but migratory birds from a boat that has a motor attached to it.

Fish and wildlife conservation act 1997, sections 17 and 23.
 
Why would the Americans be charged ?

How the heck would they know discharging from a boat is illegal.......imagine paying big bucks to go hunting in another country/province, then wind up in court for years, suspensions and big fines

Surely they won't be back to Canada for hunting and will tell all their friends how brutal this country is, that's what the Liberals want though.

This should all fall on the outfitter

so you re telling that they re not at fault because they re relying on the outfitter/guide? try to use that defense in usa and come back telling us how it worked ... ignorance of the law is not a valid defence argument.

the conclusion is: better poaching in saskatchewan than in ontario if ever caught.
 
They better not be allowed to continue guiding. This is a multi year investigation, Not just a one time deal. These type of "guides" will do anything to get their clients their moose. I'm sure lots of poaching, typical lowlife type stuff was committed from these losers over the years. $$$ makes people do terrible things.

Don't let them continue doing it
 
Hunting from boat is perfectly legal, well it is in BC, just as long as you are not moving, stop boat, drop anchor......This isn't Somalia:cool:

But they weren't in BC or Somalia.

Anywhere on earth a few moments of questions could have easily avoided a game violation with a smidgen of thoughts and moral values.

All North American hunters know there are differing rules before trigger pulled or arrow released.
 
Why would the Americans be charged ?

How the heck would they know discharging from a boat is illegal.......imagine paying big bucks to go hunting in another country/province, then wind up in court for years, suspensions and big fines

Surely they won't be back to Canada for hunting and will tell all their friends how brutal this country is, that's what the Liberals want though.

This should all fall on the outfitter

You sound like you support illegal hunting!
 
The rules on this are right in the hunting regulations summary something they should have looked at before heading here.

As far as I know it’s illegal to have a loaded firearms loaded (except for migratory birds within regulations) in or on a vehicle this includes horses,bicycles,cars/trucks/atv’s. Shooting from a vehicle is a big no no.
 
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