4 Gage info?

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Im looking for some info on 4gage shotguns. Im looking for links to manufactures that currently make them, Pictures of them, links to places that sell ammo or at least the brass casings.

Also interested in some historical links as well if you have them


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Kyle
 
4 ga. shotguns are still made in Europe. I have not seen any here.

Compare the size of this one vs a Remington 870
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The 4 bore is a gun whose time has passed, but it seems to hang on. Never manufactured in great numbers, it is still being made today. While Canada and the United States generally forbid hunting with the big gun, the British Isles have no such restrictions, the English hunt geese with them to this day. In the old days the 4 bore was a market hunters tool, either in the form of a punt gun or a shoulder fired arm. Sporting hunters also used the gauge for the largest African game, using round lead balls instead of shot. Guns built for African game are constructed more like rifles, with shorter, stronger barrels equipped with sights. Some 4 bore rifles were equipped with slow (1 in 100) twist rifling. Fowling pieces had barrels ranging from 34 to 46 inches in length. A punt gun barrel could easily be 60 inches long.

The gauge is as old as the shotgun itself, appearing about the time the shotgun differentiated itself from the musket (late 1700's). In those days a man could have a gun made with any bore diameter he wished. Since they were all muzzle loaders, there was little need to standardize on any particular size. Guns larger than 4 bore were almost exclusively punt guns, but I know of at least one 2 bore made to be fired from the shoulder. A shoulder fired 4 bore gun will typically weigh between 15 and 20 lbs.

After the appearance of the breech loader and shotshells bore sizes became more standardized, but a funny thing happened - the 4 bore shrank. While a quarter pound ball of pure lead is just a hair over 1 inch in diameter (true 4 gauge) the breech loader guns were / are built with a bore diameter of between 0.935 and 0.985 inches. The muzzle loaders are most often the true 4 gauge. For this reason, the big tubes are most often referred to as 4 bore, rather than 4 gauge. The 2 bore is in the same boat, really being only larger than a 4 bore and not a 2 gauge in the true sense.

With any older 4 bore gun you must determine the chamber type before shooting. Chambers were made for thin or thick walled brass shells, and for paper shells. Shell lengths varied as well, the "standard" length today is 4 inches. Obtaining shells is dependent on which chamber you have, but you could have a machinist turn you a couple of brass hulls if nothing else. Suppliers of cannon and yacht racing signals sell 4 bore blanks - 25 of them cost $779 before shipping.

Here are two links to currently made 4 bores. The TOZ-123 is probably the least expensive new gun available, the Australian made Century Arms gun has both rifle and shotgun barrels available. (bear defense anyone?)

http://www.tulatoz.ru/en/toz123.html

http://www.centuryarms.com.au/docs/4bore.html

Use Google and search for "4 bore" and gun, and you will find several for sale, most with pictures. Many are single barreled guns, but there are a few doubles as well. Good luck with your search, these are fascinating pieces to research.

Sharptail
 
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It baffles me why anyone would want one of the modern guns, except as a novelty. At $35,000 the novelty wears out pretty quick. From a functional point of view I own and shoot muzzle loaders in 8, 6, and 5 guage plus an 8 guage cartridge gun and the bigger they get, the heavier they get and the harder to swing. I use them occasionally for skeet but certainly feel that 8 guage is about as big as is practical for a hunting gun.

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
It baffles me why anyone would want one of the modern guns, except as a novelty. At $35,000 the novelty wears out pretty quick. From a functional point of view I own and shoot muzzle loaders in 8, 6, and 5 guage plus an 8 guage cartridge gun and the bigger they get, the heavier they get and the harder to swing. I use them occasionally for skeet but certainly feel that 8 guage is about as big as is practical for a hunting gun.

cheers mooncoon


just for ####s and giggle, Im not going to hunt with it. I think it's illegal anyway but thats not why i want I want one. I just want it for the pure fun of it and the look on peoples faces when you pull that bad boy outa the truck. As far as im concerned wanting something just for the fun of it is good enough for me.

Some people spend 40 000 on a new car, I'll spend it on a gun cause thats what i want, I dont give a crap about cars. Just priorities
 
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