4 moose shot

It the hole story is not adding up if I was to trespass and hunt with a rifle with no PAL I would be charge
sorry, but up at my cabin two years ago a large number of elk were poached, incident was reported, CO's know who did it as they found where the animals went. Some were even left to rot. Nobody was charged, animals were allowed to be kept and individuals still hunt the same area outside of the season and regional limits.

At least these guys who shot the moose did get charged with unauthorized use of a firearm but that is not nearly enough
 
The whole story is bull sh@t just one big Lie

Yes there is a few bad apples sum FN and sum are non native but the majority are decent people flaming go no wear

Carverk...... you seem to be missing the point many of us are trying to make.....

This is not about FN as a race IMOP....... and I absolutely agree that there are bad apples of all races and creeds among us.....

I will also submit that, if there were no poaching laws and stiff penalties, non aboriginal Canadians would have likely wiped most species off of the map by now......

What I am saying, is that we keep our bad apples in check using tough laws, heavy fines, confiscation of property etc....

The FN do none of that and allow their bad apples free range...... and crimes against nature such as this one go completely unpunished.....
 
Carverk...... you seem to be missing the point many of us are trying to make.....

This is not about FN as a race IMOP....... and I absolutely agree that there are bad apples of all races and creeds among us.....

I will also submit that, if there were no poaching laws and stiff penalties, non aboriginal Canadians would have likely wiped most species off of the map by now......

What I am saying, is that we keep our bad apples in check using tough laws, heavy fines, confiscation of property etc....

The FN do none of that and allow their bad apples free range...... and crimes against nature such as this one go completely unpunisx hed.....
There it is in a nutshell.
 
Carverk...... you seem to be missing the point many of us are trying to make.....

This is not about FN as a race IMOP....... and I absolutely agree that there are bad apples of all races and creeds among us.....

I will also submit that, if there were no poaching laws and stiff penalties, non aboriginal Canadians would have likely wiped most species off of the map by now......

What I am saying, is that we keep our bad apples in check using tough laws, heavy fines, confiscation of property etc....

The FN do none of that and allow their bad apples free range...... and crimes against nature such as this one go completely unpunished.....

:) You've hit the nail on the head with that.
 
Carverk...... you seem to be missing the point many of us are trying to make.....

This is not about FN as a race IMOP....... and I absolutely agree that there are bad apples of all races and creeds among us.....

I will also submit that, if there were no poaching laws and stiff penalties, non aboriginal Canadians would have likely wiped most species off of the map by now......

What I am saying, is that we keep our bad apples in check using tough laws, heavy fines, confiscation of property etc....

The FN do none of that and allow their bad apples free range...... and crimes against nature such as this one go completely unpunished.....

I hear what you are saying. And understand that.

I wish to convey some information, in the least confrontational way I think I can, given the constraints of how it is hard to get down exactly what you mean, with typed word, on the internet. Since it is not my intent for this to be a confrontational and non-offensive post.

Only a short time ago, I believe in the area of Uclulet, a band ousted their Chief. (http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/ucluelet-first-nation-chief-removed-by-band-over-elk-poaching-1.2855031) I googled that, for anyone interested. Why? Because of his actions in the regard of taking wildlife in a manner unethical, and unsustainable (in short form). The PEOPLE ousted him. His band members. Do you think this is an isolated , one off, story? Look it up, see what reparations his people demanded of him. It actually made the news.

So many stories, like that, do not.

There's that wide brush again. (the bolded items) That is easy to do. I catch myself doing it at times, as much as I try not to. I think that is within the human nature of all of us.

Somewhere in this thread it was said that no one needs 4 moose. I don't disagree, at all. No ONE needs 4 moose. But there cold be a valid reason for a hunter to take 4 moose. Let me explain, and as I do, I am NOT implying that it relates to this specific event.

Speaking only about a traditional hunter, in the Cree way, that I have been brought to know. The hunter(s) will go out, only after the appropriate ceremony and prayer, and thanks. Upon a successful hunt, they will harvest their game. (There are certain traditional procedures conducted immediately after the kill). They will bring their game back to the people. They will keep very little, if any, for themselves. Traditionals will harvest wild meat, as it is part of what gives long life. It is also important not to take, without making an offering, prior.

Feasts happen often, in the (traditional) culture. Leaders, warriors, hunters, and the types, gain that status (traditionally) by taking care of their people. Such as when we recently laid my kokum to rest. The family fed all the people that came (and there was many, from all over Canada. She was traditional. Yes, there was a traditional hunt, for the traditional foods offered, at the ceremony. (This is what the treaties protect)

The hunters that are subject of this thread, are not likely traditionals. We would consider the 4 moose as "pets". Not wild. Not appropriate to take, at any time.

But bottom line, there are bands that are trying to get back to these traditional ways. That does mean that they are going to only hunt with bows, arrows, and spears, and ride horses. The hits on technological advancement in this thread, have no merit. No demographic should be relegated to live in the dark ages.

The damage done while colonialists tried and failed; first to wipe out the first nations, then failing that, tried residential schools to destroy the culture. That failed, also. That happened over a period of many years, and generations. There used to be law lodges, when the culture was strong, to deal with things just like in this thread; the tribal people that had gone astray. The traditional way dealt with issues exactly like this within the band.

And now, as can be read in this thread, people want the first nations to go back to their traditional ways. Well, there are very few traditionals left. The ones I know are putting everything they are, into trying to get back that way of life. Enough roadblocks were thrown in their way, over many years. But it will take time. Likely as much time as was spent in the effort to subjugate them.

Seems to me that the cries for First Nations self-government have been denied, for years, decades, if not more. Denied by the same people who want the First Nations to punish, and reign in their bad apples. So what are they supposed to do (FN)?
 
^ first off, I don't disagree........ I have no less than 4 reserves within easy driving distance of me.... more if you count the US ones......

I also served as a Canadian ranger in gjoa haven......

I will summarize my opinion...... we can either work together and ensure we all have animals to harvest or we can watch them all go into extinction....... this is regardless of treaty BS etc.....

I am not dictating how FN harvest their animals or saying that there aren't some that truly wish to live off the land. I have nothing but respect for their lifestyle........ and their culture....

But, if you are truly in that category, are you driving a modern 4x4, using a high powered rifle and taking moose on private land?..... and if this is truly an animal you rely on for true sustenance, don't you have an even bigger interest in it's continuance?....... and if your "racial peers" were abusing their rights, wouldn't you want them regulated?
 
Congrats Brad - that is the second mic drop you have had to make on this thread to speak the truth.

Thanks VIC...... I appreciate it......

This BS around treaties has gone on way too long....... there is a mutually beneficial solution right in front of our faces...... I wish both sides could see that as we do......

Truthfully speaking, this appilies to many other issues outside of fish and game..... the relationship could be so much better than it is.........
 
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