.40 is the New .38

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Interesting article on the "stopping power" of the .40.


The Peter Soulis Incident
Brian McKenna
Law Officer Volume 4 Issue 12
2008 Dec 23

Officer Peter Soulis was monitoring traffic from a service station parking lot when he spotted a Toyota pull onto the lot with its lights off. The driver drove to a spot directly in Soulis' line of sight, turned the Toyota toward the street and stopped. Ignoring Soulis, he sat eyes straight ahead, focused on the small strip mall across the street. It was almost midnight, and the only business still open in the mall was a sandwich shop.

Soulis decided to investigate. The lot was dimly lit, so he left his headlights off as he pulled forward and stopped behind the Toyota. After angling his car to the left for cover, he logged out on his MDT, grabbed his heavy-duty flashlight, and stepped out into the cool night air. The driver never took his eyes off the strip mall.

Soulis, a safety-conscious, 38-year-old officer with 11 years on the job, worked for a large metropolitan police department in a city with more than its share of violent crime, but the driver didn't look like a trouble-maker and appeared only to be drunk. Still, Soulis knew better than to take anything for granted. Waiting to turn the flashlight on until he got closer, he cautiously moved to a spot about 10 feet behind the Toyota.

Suddenly, the driver lunged to his right and down. Without conscious thought, Soulis drew his gun—a .40 caliber Glock 22—as he moved to his left and shined the light into the car. "Show me your hands!" he shouted.

Slowly and without looking at Soulis, the driver sat up and raised his hands. He didn't say a word as he kept his eyes riveted straight ahead.

At Soulis' command, the man slowly exited the car with both hands in full view. Soulis was now standing well off to the left of the Toyota with his flashlight aimed into its front seat. Glancing past the driver, he spotted a beer lying on its side on the floorboard, its contents foaming out onto the carpet. He relaxed a little at the sight of the open beer, but kept his guard up.

Soulis kept his light on the driver as he reholstered and ordered him to come to him. Obediently, the driver stepped forward and handed Soulis his driver's license. After frisking the man for weapons and finding none, Soulis checked the license and identified the driver as Tim Palmer, a 27-year-old from a small town located many miles from there.

"What are you doing on this lot?" Soulis asked.

Palmer started fidgeting as he replied that he was waiting for some friends and had stopped to use the station's pay phone. Soulis knew that was a lie. Palmer had never gone near the pay phone.

He decided to run him for warrants but suspected he might take off on foot. After ordering Palmer to return to his car, he walked backwards to his cruiser, sat down, and tried to run him on his MDT. But NCIC was down, so there wasn't much he could do. He decided to ask for permission to search the Toyota and take it from there.

In the meantime, he noticed Palmer was nervously glancing around in every direction as he sat waiting in the Toyota. Although not particularly alarmed, Soulis didn't like what he saw. Becoming increasingly convinced that Palmer intended to run, he lit up the car with his spotlight, headlights and takedown lights.

At first, Palmer turned away from the blazing light, but then he adjusted his inside mirror and fixed his eyes on Soulis. Now even more distrustful of Palmer, Soulis opened his door to start his approach, only to see Palmer's door also swinging open. Moving quickly to make contact before Palmer could run, Soulis stepped out of his car and started forward.

He'd gone barely 10 feet when the alarm bells went off. No fear or panic, but his senses were crying out for greater caution, and he changed his approach. He circled around the back of his cruiser and moved up to the passenger side of the Toyota.

As he stopped alongside the car's right-rear fender and looked inside, every instinct told him Palmer was armed and waiting for him. The man was sitting behind the wheel, hunched forward with both feet firmly planted on the floorboard, his eyes glued to the mirror and his right hand thrust between his legs. His left arm was locked straight down along his left side, pressed down onto the floor next to the open driver's door as he readied himself to spring into action.

Soulis' first thought was to go back to his car and call Palmer out, but he would have to retreat across open ground to do that. Confident his position gave him a solid tactical advantage, he drew his gun as he shouted, "Show me your hands, and get outta the car!"

Soulis had planned to shoot through the back window if Palmer drew a weapon, but for reasons he still doesn't fully understand, he moved forward and to his right, stopping alongside the passenger door, not more than two feet from the window. Instantly, he realized he'd made a grievous blunder. Grinning with blood lust, Palmer lunged across the seat and shoved a Smith & Wesson Sigma up into firing position. Before Soulis could react, the S&W barked flame, driving a 9mm solidly into the center of his chest. The impact knocked Soulis back slightly, but his vest stopped the bullet.

Palmer was out of the Toyota a split-second later, firing the gun at him over the roof. There was no other cover nearby, so Soulis went down onto one knee behind the front fender to put the Toyota between them. But, at the same instant, two rounds crashed through his left arm, one just above the wrist and the other dead center on the forearm. Another struck him in the left thigh, although he wouldn't become aware of it until later.

Soulis was shooting back now, pumping rounds through the windshield into his assailant. Palmer went down immediately, and Soulis used the opportunity to seek better cover. The only decent cover nearby was his patrol car, so he started backpedaling in that direction, Glock at the ready and eyes scanning for Palmer's return as he moved. Then, spotting the cruiser out of the corner of one eye, he turned and started to sprint toward it. He had barely completed the turn when Palmer opened fire again. One round missed, but another tore through his left shoulder and exited his left bicep. He kept moving until he reached the back of the car, where he dropped to one knee and got back into the fight.

Palmer was scurrying back and forth down the driver's side of the Toyota, shrieking with rage and stopping sporadically to fire, but Soulis was more patient. He held his fire, waited for Palmer's head to pop into view, and then took a shot each time it appeared. Although Soulis knew he was getting hits, Palmer seemed impervious to his gunfire.

Soulis was also becoming apprehensive about his wounds. The bullet hole in his left wrist was an ugly, swollen mess that made him wonder if he would have enough dexterity to reload, and the one in his thigh was spewing blood all over the back of his cruiser. Believing his femoral artery had been hit, he pressed his left hand down over the wound, but that only caused the blood to shoot out another, previously unseen bullet hole. He feared he would bleed out before he could stop Palmer.

Soulis also heard a woman screaming across the street, leading him to believe he may have hit a bystander. He later learned she'd only been screaming in fear, but at the time he could only think of having hurt one of his citizens, and the idea angered him. It also had an unexpected effect—it made him focus on the importance of stopping Palmer before someone else got hurt.

With these thoughts came an unexpected calm, followed by a new resolve. Up to this point, he'd been fighting a commendable, though primarily defensive battle. But now, infused with the realization that Palmer had to be stopped and that only he could do it, he went on the offensive. Now the predator, he resolved that Palmer would never leave the parking lot, even if he had to take more hits to stop him.

Soulis' gun wasn't empty yet, but he knew better than to take the offensive without reloading. As he ejected the partially empty magazine and slapped in a fresh one, he saw something he hadn't expected. Apparently, Palmer had seen the ejected magazine hit the ground and assumed Soulis had either collapsed or run out of ammo. He left the cover of the Toyota, and advanced toward Soulis. Unaware that he was approaching a conscious and fully armed police officer who knew how to capitalize on an opportunity like this, Palmer walked toward the cruiser. Soulis waited patiently, tracking the man's approach by watching his feet under the cruiser.

Palmer hesitated when he reached the cruiser's right-front fender, as if to consider moving over to the driver's side. Soulis knew he'd have trouble tracking Palmer if he came around that way, so he decided to make his move without delay. He lunged out from behind the car, thrust the Glock up into firing position, and opened fire. His first two rounds hit Palmer center chest, rocking him back on his heels. Palmer flinched as two more rounds hit center mass, and then started backpedaling toward the Toyota. He was still holding his gun, but never raised it to fire.

After reaching the car, Palmer dove over the trunk and dropped out of sight. Soulis paused, and then cautiously started forward again. As he moved closer, he spotted Palmer crawling up into the Toyota's front seat and starting the engine.

Soulis stopped and fired two rounds through the back window. The first missed, but the second hit Palmer in the upper back, driving his head forward into the steering wheel. That seemed to have done the trick, but then Palmer sat up again, dropped the transmission into reverse, and started backing up. With no time to ponder how Palmer had absorbed so many hits, Soulis took aim and emptied the magazine into his assailant.

Palmer rolled over to his right and dropped the gear shift lever into drive, causing the car to lunge forward into a chainlink fence a few feet away, where it came to a stop. After watching Palmer long enough to make sure he didn't get up again, Soulis called for backup and waited for help to arrive.

The Aftermath
Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis' .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs—considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available—Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired. His autopsy revealed nothing more than a small amount of alcohol in his bloodstream. Although Soulis could not have known it, Palmer was wanted for murder in a neighboring state.

Soulis made a full recovery and returned to work less than a month later. He has since retired, and now works for a national railroad as its principle special agent for counterterrorism. He also serves as an adjunct instructor for KFD Training & Consultation and Policecombat.com, which provide cutting edge training for police officers in advanced close quarters combative tactics and officer survival skills.
 
i enjoy the caliber debates as much as the next guy. imo whether it be .44mag 9mm .45acp or 5.7mm. proper shot placement is key.

a bad shot with a .40 is no less effective than a bad shot from a 9mm and vice versa.
 
There are people who have survived falling over a thousand feet before - does that mean falling off a building is ineffective at killing people? One or two case studies doesn't provide much in the way of a sound argument against a calibre.
 
It's not the caliber, it's handguns in general. They are weak by nature. Big, heavy slugs from a .44 Mag or bigger work on large game, but on things the size of humans, are just as ineffective as any other handgun. Then again, read the report of the axe attack on the Canadian, the attacker was shot several times point blank by a Canadian soldier with 5.56, and he just stared at him, didn't drop his weapon. The attacker was a very small, teenage kid. The internet's rife with police dash cam videos of men being shot by police and proceeding to assault the officer as if nothing has happened. Firearms, quite simply, just don't work like they do in the movies. Anyone who's done their share of hunting has seen how far an animal can go on grievous wounds.

I'm going to quote a statistic by memory... it could be dubious. Something to do with 1/3 handgun altercations being fatal (most involve multiple hits), and 1/3 individuals intentionally shot with a shotgun or rifle surviving. Just outlines how last ditch a handgun truly is.
 
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Headshot should take care of the drugged up attacker...

(Only picture I could find that wasn't to graphic, never played the game before)
 
On March 24, 1944, Flight Sergeant Nicholas Stephen Alkemade of the Royal Air Force jumped out of his burning Avro Lancaster. On that particular jump, the sergeant was lacking his parachute, which was destroyed by the fire. After falling 18,000 feet, his only injury was a strained ankle.

This occurrence clearly demonstrates that parachutes are a waste of money.
 
"On March 24, 1944, Flight Sergeant Nicholas Stephen Alkemade of the Royal Air Force jumped out of his burning Avro Lancaster. On that particular jump, the sergeant was lacking his parachute, which was destroyed by the fire. After falling 18,000 feet, his only injury was a strained ankle.
This occurrence clearly demonstrates that parachutes are a waste of money."

Good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read the last line. I would have been out one computer keyboard and screen.:D:D:D

Take Care

Bob
 
Agreed 100% with the shot placement statements.

You can be hit 22 times with almost anything and survive, provided the hits aren't in immediately vital areas. "Center mass" can include the stomach, intestines, bladder, spleen, and kidneys... people always seem to assume "center mass" somehow automatically equates to the left ventricle of the heart.

Just as the officer absorbed numerous peripheral hits to the limbs, so probably did his attacker... the difference is that the officer's vest more than likely saved his life at first contact, and that the officer was able to score sufficient hits in vital enough areas to cause eventual fatality.

It doesn't mean that .40 S&W isn't a good caliber, it just means that "Hollywood Rules" don't apply to real gunfights.

-M
 
Must have been PCP, nobody could take that many rounds and keep going. Unless of course your Chuck Norris.

Wrong, only traces of alcohol were found in the mans system. On a side note, its too bad the officer wasn't armed with a revolver. I mean, anything you can't solve with 6 you surely can't solve with 10/12/15/17:rolleyes:

TDC
 
Ardent nailed it. Hanguns and the cartridges they use are not death ray guns. You either bleed out or hit the spinal chord/brain to cause death or immediate incapacitation, nothing new here. Fortunately, the cardboard targets that feel the wrath of my handguns die instantly, proof of which maybe found in the fact I have yet to be killed in a gun fight playing IDPA or IPSC.

If i knew I was going into a real armed conflict my first choice would be a rifle followed by a shotgun. The latter if it was a close encounter of the worst kind. My handgun would only be used only if I had neither of the former.

I must say though I worry more about what I would do with all the money I am going to win in the 649 lottery than I do about dealing with an armed conflict.... but then that is just me.

Take Care

Bob
 
Ardent nailed it. Hanguns and the cartridges they use are not death ray guns. You either bleed out or hit the spinal chord/brain to cause death or immediate incapacitation, nothing new here. Fortunately, the cardboard targets that feel the wrath of my handguns die instantly, proof of which maybe found in the fact I have yet to be killed in a gun fight playing IDPA or IPSC.

If i knew I was going into a real armed conflict my first choice would be a rifle followed by a shotgun. The latter if it was a close encounter of the worst kind. My handgun would only be used only if I had neither of the former.

I must say though I worry more about what I would do with all the money I am going to win in the 649 lottery than I do about dealing with an armed conflict.... but then that is just me.

Take Care

Bob

Well said Bob, got a good kick out of the last part!
 
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I must say though I worry more about what I would do with all the money I am going to win in the 649 lottery .Quote


Money can't buy happiness. But you can sure as hell afford a better class of misery.:D
 
If i knew I was going into a real armed conflict my first choice would be a rifle followed by a shotgun. The latter if it was a close encounter of the worst kind. My handgun would only be used only if I had neither of the former.

I'm reminded of an old article by Chuck Taylor in G&A when I was a kid - he was reviewing one of the new stock/long barrel kits available for the venerable old 1911.

The kit printed well, and muzzle velocity was up maybe 10% at most with the loads tested due to the increased barrel length... but Chuck offered a wise piece of advice at the end of the article: "if you know real trouble is headed your way, then go and get a rifle."

True then, true now.

-M
 
40 cal Glock 17 ?

Maybe somone should get his facts straight.

You, apparently. ;)

The article identifies the gun correctly:

Soulis drew his gun—a .40 caliber Glock 22—as he moved to his left

But you took the number of hits as the model number:

Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis' .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass

The comma is important, kind of like in the second amendment.
 
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