.40 Vs 9mm rounds

TDC said:
Minimum calibre for Major in the modified or standard divisions is 40. yet they permit the .357 sig. That isn't 40 calibre??
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as I said, a recent exception asked for by Australia due to their gun laws.

TDC said:
Why is 40 cal the min. for only two divisions and not the rest?
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Ask the IPSC rules committee. http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/ I suspect it's 'just a rule'.

TDC said:
Why does IPSC not require its shooters to use cover,
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IPSC evolved into 'a sport' long ago. Get over it. If you want to compete in an action shooting sport that requires the use of 'cover', shoot IDPA. (I shoot both)

TDC said:
or require holsters that cover the trigger guard??
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Again, you shouldn't spout off if you don't know what you're talking about. IPSC DOES require holsters to cover the trigger guard. (Rule 5.2.7.4 www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf)
 
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Mass tone it down. Guy just made a comment that was in error about the trigger guard.

By saying IPSC evolved into a sport suggests IDPA isn't because of the cover rule. Nothng could be further from the truth. Both are sports. Two very different sports involving the use of handguns. No big deal.

TDC: The nature of any game is established by the rules. Baseball and soccer are both played with round balls but the rules are completely different resulting in two different games. So to IPSC/IDPA. Probably a better analogy would be baseball and softball. Two similar sports with totally different rules.

When it comes to rules of games sometimes you just have to except the fact the sun comes up in the East and it isn't a Eastern Political plot to annoy western Canadians.

Take Care

Bob
 
I like my G22...Damn fine gun imho

I sold all of my 9mm guns... Didn't do 'it' for me

Personal prefference as the cost of ammo is not a consideration for me
 
targettarget said:
Hey, you guys missed something. If your a first time shooter, your going to want to improve upon your skills and practice.

When I started with hanguns, I learned on a .45. Why? Because it makes a bigger hole in paper. It is EXTREMLY hard to see 9mm holes from 25 M away, unless your using splattering targets. .40 and .45 on the other hand, are much easier to see. This gives you "immediate feedback" as to where (if your even hitting the target) you are hitting it.

Nothing sucks more than filling a couple of mags, running them through and having to bring back your target every time to see where you are shooting.

With this being said, I recommend you buy a .500 SW. Now were talking.
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Spotting scope - it's a good thing.
 
My G23 is has over 50k rounds through it everything from light lead loads(though not recomended) to full power defence loads.Its been shot a-lot
in both temp extremes and I have not once had a faiure that wasnt ammo
related or when the pin on the original 13rd mag broke and and jamed up the mag.In fact I didnt know it was the mag until inspecting it later.I just dropped the mag and reloaded and the glock kept going. No K boom either.
Two of my friends also have 40 glock with more rounds through them than mine and no issues with The "9mm frame ".A Friend of mine in the states issue
g22 to his teams thats over 100 glocks that have had no major issues.And
they run hot 165 gr hp over 1100fps and have to qualify 6 times a year.
verytime some brings up the glock kboom he just smiles politly and walks away.
 
Rotek,
I'm confident there are plenty of 40 cal Glocks that run and run well. The potential for kabooms or similar terminal failures is higher. Part of the reason Glock went to a second lock block pin was to strengthen the 40 cal guns. With that being said, there is still a higher risk of failure with the high pressure 40 cal cartridge. With the extra abuse on both shooter and firearm as well as the increase in cost, I wouldn't buy a 40 cal gun.

Dragoon,

Out of curiosity why did Australia ask for the exception??

Again, there seems to be no reason for the 40 cal minimum in only two divisions and not the rest.

IPSC is a sport. It is not practical as the name suggests. IDPA was founded by some of the very same folks who founded IPSC. The decision to start IDPA was partially based on the fact that IPSC was no longer about "practical" shooting skills and became an arms race with respect to equipment. IPSC shooters still posess some rather awesome skill, but it isn't practical for the most part.

My bad on the holster comment. The last IPSC guy I saw with a ghost or similar style holster did not completely cover the trigger guard. Perhaps the holster was not setup properly I don't know. I have seen other IPSC shooters have their firearm fall out of the holster during movement. Again, not very practical gear if it can't handle some sprinting or other vigorous activity.

TDC
 
NAA said:
Luckily where I'm at the RCMP shoot 9mm and the city cops shoot .40 S&W. Translates into lots of 'free' brass left laying around the range after they leave. So, if one reloaded it maybe 9mm might have the edge in terms of components costs, too. But the .40 is just plain fun to shoot. I also load .45ACP, too bad the ERT cops don't use it here... :p
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I found some 45GAP brass last time the locals had been using the range, I was getting all excited from a distance "hey is that 45 ACP?" then I got a good look, it was "damn" followed by..."that's weird". I've almost considered getting a 40 just to reload all the free brass that's lying around.

9mil is what you shoot when you're out of 45 auto
 
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geologist said:
Spotting scope - it's a good thing.
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I'm not talking about 300M target shooting with either 9mm or .40. The original post, pre-hijack ISPC rules, was about a new shooter wanting to know which caliber was more beneficial.

.40 (.45) is because of the bigger hole. I'm only 26 and have a hard time finding 9mm holes through non-splattering targets at even 15-20M, never mind deeper than that.
 
I'm not talking about 300M target shooting with either 9mm or .40. The original post, pre-hijack ISPC rules, was about a new shooter wanting to know which caliber was more beneficial.

.40 (.45) is because of the bigger hole. I'm only 26 and have a hard time finding 9mm holes through non-splattering targets at even 15-20M, never mind deeper than that
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If you can't see a 9mm hole at 20m I don't see how an extra 1mm is going to make it that much more visible....
 
TDC said:
Dragoon,

Out of curiosity why did Australia ask for the exception??
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IIRC it is because the maximum calibre allowed by law is .38.

TDC said:
Again, there seems to be no reason for the 40 cal minimum in only two divisions and not the rest.
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Not my call. If you really want an answer, try going on to "Global Village"

TDC said:
IPSC is a sport. It is not practical as the name suggests.
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As I said earlier, IPSC is a sport - get over it. But make no mistake, as Canuck44 stated earlier, IPSC & IDPA are both nothing more than sports played by different rules.
 
The pistols used in IPSC are extremely practical for the sport and division they are used in. I can't think of a better more practical gun more suited for the Open divsion than a fully laid out race gun. You have to use the word "Practical" in the sense of what is the weapon of choice practical for. My bone stock Norinco .45acp is great for a bush gun but fails miserably as a PPC gun. Would that same race gun be practical as a soldiers weapon in the trenches of WW1 - not likley but then it wasn't designed for that purpose.

Hell man it is just a word in a name. What is "World" about the World Series but that is what the folks call it. More important things do worry about like how many jelly beans are in the store down town.

Take Care

Bob
 
hate to jump on this (because I agree with what you've said re:sports and rules and IPSC and IDPA) but the World Series is so named because it was originally sponsored by The World - a newspaper. It's probably the earliest example of named sponsorship in sports.
 
See you make my point. We take a word and associate it with some defined picture we have. Who but a true baseball trivia nut would have known that but there you are. Now I can add that tidbit to the knowledge base. LOL

Take Care

Bob
 
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