.401 WSL, Winchester 1910 Loading Data needed

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Hey,

I just picked up a really nice Winchester 1910 in .401 WSL. I have been reading up on it and have bought some brass, .406 dia. 200gr. bullets, a Lee Hand Press, Dies, Lee Powder measure and a copy of the ABC's of reloading.

I don't plan on shooting it much, that is why I went with the hand press. In the future, I will buy a really nice set-up to do a bunch of calibers.

The thing I have read is that H4227 is the powder to use, but it isn't available any longer. I need to buy some other type, but what is a good substitute? Any thoughts on the IMR4227? Also, which primers do I need?

Thanks for any answers given.

Cheers,

Ian
 
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In the Handloader's Digest 12th edition there is an article on the .401.

The author loads 29 grs of IMR 4227 with a 200 gr jacketed bullet (2040 fps) and 27 grs of IMR 4227 with the 250 gr bullet (1880 fps).

The old Lyman #38 Manual lists 26 grs of 2400 with a 200 gr bullet (2061 fps)
 
You're welcome. Sorry, I don't know where to find .406 bullets. The author of the article I mentioned got his bullets from Barnes and Old Western Scrounger.

You might want to look into casting your own lead bullets.
 
Goldenlakepete said:
You're welcome. Sorry, I don't know where to find .406 bullets. The author of the article I mentioned got his bullets from Barnes and Old Western Scrounger.

You might want to look into casting your own lead bullets.
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Yeah, I think that will have to be the way to go. I purchased 50 from Epps and they were pretty much $1 each just to get started!!! I see that buffalo Arms sells them as well but the cheapest they sell them for is also $1 each if you buy 100 at a time. I will look into Barnes and OWS when I have a chance.

Cheers,

Ian
 
Hi Ian
I load for mine and use 41 mag bullets ,I purchased a $20 lee sizer kit for the .400 bullets and used fine emery cloth slid into a sloted dowel and polished in it till I opened it up to 406 .polish a bit at a time and test by pushing a lubed bullet till you get to size took about 10 min and 6 bullet till I got it .Have resized over 1000 and still works ,I sized the hornady jacketed hollow points and numerous other brands in the 210 gr . I have the whole set of the wsl's 32/35/351/401 and load for all ,they are a lot of fun as they are basically a pistol type round in a heavy but compact carbine .I also form my own brass to keep my costs down and also resize the 351/and 401 bullets ,32 are readily avialiable in the 180 gr rn any how I hope this helps Cheers Peter
 
Goldenlakepete said:
In the Handloader's Digest 12th edition there is an article on the .401.

The author loads 29 grs of IMR 4227 with a 200 gr jacketed bullet (2040 fps) and 27 grs of IMR 4227 with the 250 gr bullet (1880 fps).

The old Lyman #38 Manual lists 26 grs of 2400 with a 200 gr bullet (2061 fps)
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I have a copy of the Lyman # 44 and these loads are max loads
I would use Unique or 2400

I would Also be VERY CAREFULL With IMR 4227 it could be actually H4227 and the loading data is different

IMR 4227 was made in CANADA (WAS)
H 4227 is not made in Canada and data is different and could be labeled as imr 4227 check the label on the back
 
No need for stress, sizing or casting your own. Bullet Barn sells exactly what you want. $42 for 200, and they make a great product, I uses lots of their stuff.

http://www.thebulletbarn.com/pricelist-r.html
 
Dean2 said:
No need for stress, sizing or casting your own. Bullet Barn sells exactly what you want. $42 for 200, and they make a great product, I uses lots of their stuff.

http://www.thebulletbarn.com/pricelist-r.html
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These ones? 40-65 RNFP DLG BB

I will have to see if I can find loading data for those 260gr. bullets. Thanks, that is wayyyyy cheaper and will probably be easier on the old girl than the jacketed ones. I wonder if they can make them in 200 or 210grain? I will have to give them a shout.

Cheers,

Ian
 
Smitsauce said:
These ones? 40-65 RNFP DLG BB

I will have to see if I can find loading data for those 260gr. bullets. Thanks, that is wayyyyy cheaper and will probably be easier on the old girl than the jacketed ones. I wonder if they can make them in 200 or 210grain? I will have to give them a shout.

Cheers,

Ian
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check their pistol Bullets, they have one or two that are close and they will swage tehm down to .406, usually 5 or 10 bucks on 200 but if you buy a bunch they will usually throw it in for nothing. Definitely give them a call, great people to deal with and still a two person operation, Lois and her husband.
 
Dean2 said:
check their pistol Bullets, they have one or two that are close and they will swage tehm down to .406, usually 5 or 10 bucks on 200 but if you buy a bunch they will usually throw it in for nothing. Definitely give them a call, great people to deal with and still a two person operation, Lois and her husband.
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Great. I will definately look into it!

On another note, does anyone have a good tip or trick to getting the recoil spring back in place. I took my new rifle down last night to clean it up and when I was looking at getting it back together, it looks like that will be a huge pain in the butt!

Cheers,

Ian
 
Got it back together. What a pain! I used the double flat head screw driver method of alternating them back and forth a few coils at a time and pushing the recoil spring guide in a little at a time. Made damn sure that everything was cleaned and lubed before I did so I don't have to do that again for, hopefully, a very long time!

Just waiting for my dies to come in. They cleared customs yesterday night!! Whoo Hooo!!

Ian
 
Dean2 said:
check their pistol Bullets, they have one or two that are close and they will swage tehm down to .406, usually 5 or 10 bucks on 200 but if you buy a bunch they will usually throw it in for nothing. Definitely give them a call, great people to deal with and still a two person operation, Lois and her husband.
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I got this reply from Lois at the Bullet Barn:

Yes, I have custom sized those bullets before, but not sure if they will be that light. We don’t swage them – we push them through the .406 die nose first, and what actually happens is the extra lead gets pushed toward the base as the bullet is squeezed through the die – it does not get shaved off. Those bullets would normally weigh about 212 gr. instead of 215 gr. due to the hardness of the alloy. We could do that for you for a custom sizing charge of $10.00 extra per box.

This was to go from their pistol bullets:

41 SWC BB, 215 gr. , .411 Dia. down to .406 Dia.

My question now is, has anyone ever used these in their gun? Do you think that the actual bullet would still fit? I am concerned that they might get too long after the reshaping process.

Cheers,

Ian
 
This is an obsolete round. The only recently published load data I have seen for it is in the 12 Edition of Cartridges of the World, and it is exacttly the same data as was in the 6th Edition. It shows 212 grain lead, IMR 4227 max load 29 grains, vel 2074 fps. 240 grain lead bullet, same powder, max 27,5, 1968 fps. The source for both these loads shows as Lyman. I don't have a current Lyman book, but if someone does they may be able to give you more current data. Just for info, it shows Winchester factory 250 grain SP loads to have had a velcoity of 1870 fps.

My best suggestion is start with a mild load and work up carefully.
 
Smitsauce said:
Got it back together. What a pain! I used the double flat head screw driver method of alternating them back and forth a few coils at a time and pushing the recoil spring guide in a little at a time. Made damn sure that everything was cleaned and lubed before I did so I don't have to do that again for, hopefully, a very long time!

Just waiting for my dies to come in. They cleared customs yesterday night!! Whoo Hooo!!

Ian
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Just stumbled upon this old thread and have a piece of advice for reinstalling the recoil spring. Take a piece of nylon string and run it through the recoil spring, tie it to a small finish nail and pull on the string to compress the spring. Then when the spring is in place pull out the nail, remove the string and reinstall the guide rod.
 
Can brass not be made from easily available 7.62x39 boxer? I will look for .401 data for you in a 50's Lyman book.........Harold
 
1955 Ideal/Lyman 40th Edition..........warning mechanism will not function properly if cartridges loaded low.Try near MAX
250gr cast plain base...2400/18gr/1430fps- MAX 23gr/1700 fps..........4227/19gr/1450fps- MAX 27.5gr/1850fps MAX COL 2.00" 200gr jacketed.......2400/19gr/1595fps........MAX 24.7gr/2060fps...........4227/29gr/1965fps...........MAX 31gr/2100fps
250gr jacketed same as above for cast. Use at own risk........with the 4227 it doesn't specify whether it is Hodgon or IMR Harold
 
I just sold my M1910, but I found that a full case of H4227 regardless of bullet weight gave the best performance.

I made brass out of Starline 414 Super Mag and used Redding Dies. Bullets for the 41 Mag sized to 0.406" worked well.
 
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