40gr speer .224

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soooo, i got some of these little 40gr speer thingys, #1017 -

i was going to load them in the 222 rem, but , sheesh they are tiny little things?

look more shaped for a .22 hornet ?

Did some quick googling an seems some people definatley use them in a 222 ?............ whats the go with Seating?
the round looks quite ugly with such a short snub nosed projie seated deeply, far cry from the 55gr v max.

the speeds look good with AR2207, 4198... 3400fps on a min load iirc

the plan would be for use spotlighting Foxes- typically 150-250 meter shots-

whats ya thoughts here? just seat em deep and see how the accuracy is ?

(i do have a brno 22hrnt an a fair few cases- worst case scenerio)
 
I use a 39gr Calhoon dhp over 13gr Blue Dot for shredding varmints. It is one of Calhoon's loads, found on "Informative articles" - Reduced loads for .223 and .222 on his website jamescalhoon com
 
WhelanLad said:
soooo, i got some of these little 40gr speer thingys, #1017 -

i was going to load them in the 222 rem, but , sheesh they are tiny little things?

look more shaped for a .22 hornet ?

Did some quick googling an seems some people definatley use them in a 222 ?............ whats the go with Seating?
the round looks quite ugly with such a short snub nosed projie seated deeply, far cry from the 55gr v max.

the speeds look good with AR2207, 4198... 3400fps on a min load iirc

the plan would be for use spotlighting Foxes- typically 150-250 meter shots-

whats ya thoughts here? just seat em deep and see how the accuracy is ?

(i do have a brno 22hrnt an a fair few cases- worst case scenerio)
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Whelan Lad, those bullets were designed for the 22Hornet/22KHornet/218Bee. Keep your velocities around 3000fps and they will work well but will still expand with explosive effect on bunnies, so if you're going to eat them or save the hides you may want to load them even slower.

I use the 46 grain Speer flat base in my hornet and for special loads for my CZ 22 rimfire magnum. They work great when dispatching a pig or steer in the 22WMR or 22 Hornet.

I also use the 46 grain in my 223rem but keep the velocities just above suggested start loads, because that's where the accuracy nodes are best.

The 40 grain bullet in my 223 can be pushed close to 3500fps with Benchmark or BLC2, but accuracy goes awry after 3000fps.
 
bearhunter said:
Whelan Lad, those bullets were designed for the 22Hornet/22KHornet/218Bee. Keep your velocities around 3000fps and they will work well but will still expand with explosive effect on bunnies, so if you're going to eat them or save the hides you may want to load them even slower.

I use the 46 grain Speer flat base in my hornet and for special loads for my CZ 22 rimfire magnum. They work great when dispatching a pig or steer in the 22WMR or 22 Hornet.

I also use the 46 grain in my 223rem but keep the velocities just above suggested start loads, because that's where the accuracy nodes are best.

The 40 grain bullet in my 223 can be pushed close to 3500fps with Benchmark or BLC2, but accuracy goes awry after 3000fps.
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Thanks BH, i darn well knew it as soon as i seen them... hornet rounds! dammit.

i guess i will try a few out, not chasen optimal velocity, just was looking for aflatter than the 55gr @2700 for foxes in the light so 200m give or take.

will it still work all fine even though its seated so deeply? or so far from the lands?
 
That will depend on how tight the throat is on your 223rem chamber.

They shoot very well through my Tikka T3X, chambered for the 223rem, with a 1-8 twist and tight throat, but out of my friend's Savage, custom Varmint not so well. It's got a 1-7 twist a deep throat for heavy bullets, with a close to max dia and very deep throat, which is an unforgiving combination with light, short bullets.

He uses it for Coyotes, which are usually about twice the size of Fox, and Wolves which are appx twice the size of Coyotes.
 
bearhunter said:
That will depend on how tight the throat is on your 223rem chamber.

They shoot very well through my Tikka T3X, chambered for the 223rem, with a 1-8 twist and tight throat, but out of my friend's Savage, custom Varmint not so well. It's got a 1-7 twist a deep throat for heavy bullets, with a close to max dia and very deep throat, which is an unforgiving combination with light, short bullets.

He uses it for Coyotes, which are usually about twice the size of Fox, and Wolves which are appx twice the size of Coyotes.
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Thinking about picking some of these up for my tikka .223 as they are pretty cheap. What kind of powder were you using and seating depth. Thanks
 
I shot a coyote a few years ago with that ugly Lil bullet from a 22-250 at 100yrds.
Drt. He never made a sound.
There was a baseball sized exit.
Great bullet
 
Phfan, I don't know the seating depth. I just load them out as far as the necks will still hold onto them with enough tension to build proper pressures and keep them straight.

I use Benchmark, BLC 2, 8208xbr, and cfe223, along with a couple of surplus powders I have on hand.

They all work well. The secret is not to try and exceed the velocities they were designed to be used at.

They have very thin jackets, and if they're pushed too hard, they don't seem to be able to hold together well.
 
WhelanLad - my Speer #14 Reloading Manual shows Speer bullet 1017 was seated to 2.040" COAL when they tested it - they are showing they used Remington 40-X with 24" barrel. I have no clue how deep that COAL translates to seating depth - that probably depends on how much you have trimmed the case? For 222 Remington. Page 191. 15 powders listed - varying amounts.
 
WL: 1) What twist is the barrel on your .222? 2) How long is its throat? 2a) Are you able to chamber a round with that bullet seated to 1.970" [which results in a 1 calibre seating depth] without the ogive jamming in the lands? If you can, QL shows an 18.0 gr. charge of AR2207 should yield BH's suggested mv for that bullet of ~3,000 fps in a 24.0" barrel.

BH: w.r.t. your use of the Speer 46 gr. FNHP bullet in your .22 WMR, are you pulling the factory bullets, reducing the powder, then seating the 46 gr. bullets?
 
Potashminer said:
WhelanLad - my Speer #14 Reloading Manual shows Speer bullet 1017 was seated to 2.040" COAL when they tested it - they are showing they used Remington 40-X with 24" barrel. I have no clue how deep that COAL translates to seating depth - that probably depends on how much you have trimmed the case? For 222 Remington. Page 191. 15 powders listed - varying amounts.
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With a case length of 1.700", with the Speer 40 gr. #1017 bullet seated to 2.040", the seating depth would be 0.155". As long as your bullet is seated straight, assuming the chamber was cut concentric to the bore, a shallow seating depth is not, in itself, a detriment to accuracy.
 
I thought those Speer numbers looked familiar.
As those came recommended by both bear hunter and another cgn member when i asked bout bullets for my 22 Hornet.
Have not bought any as
i have several hundred Nosler's and Hornady's to start with and have not depleted the supply just yet.
PH Fan bear hunter suggested BLC2 and Benchmark powders...have not used Benchmark , but BLC2 in the past as it came whole heartedly
from a buddy who uses nothing but BLC2 in his .223's be it his AR-15 or his Remington 700 LTR. from 50 to 300 yrd.
Tight Groups and Good Hunting WL !
Rob
 
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jamesharrison said:
WL: 1) What twist is the barrel on your .222? 2) How long is its throat? 2a) Are you able to chamber a round with that bullet seated to 1.970" [which results in a 1 calibre seating depth] without the ogive jamming in the lands? If you can, QL shows an 18.0 gr. charge of AR2207 should yield BH's suggested mv for that bullet of ~3,000 fps in a 24.0" barrel.
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It's a Sako A1 with I believe a 22 inch barrel. Factory barrel with iron sights?
Has the black plastic recoil pad (for era determination)

I just googled the twist, saying a typical A1 is 1:14.

Throat-hmmm, I would have to flip a projie an test that but only been loading Zmax at cannelure so not alot of help there.

I'm away from these an have purchased 1000 55 GR .224 s in the past month or so.

500 of what seems to be a Sierra? They were sold as unknown but 55g .224 (nice an cheap)
And 500 of the Hornady varmint 2266 which is a 55g btsp with cannelure .but different to Zmax style..

Will leave ,40gr for the Hornet down the track
 
I loaded the Hornady 40g VMax in my HB Sako .222Rem. I too was concerned about being a mile off the lands but surprisingly the accuracy was stellar, better than my best loads with 53g SMK. Snappy little load with H322 that clover-leafed at 100 yards!! Sorta made me re-think that 5-10thou off the lands wasn’t the be all and end all.

My results on large S/W coyotes was less than satisfactory, too many runners. I gave up on the baby bullets and moved up to the .243Win. But for foxes them 40’s might be just the ticket. Good luck. Cheers
 
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