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.410-44 cal?
- Thread starter Power Pill
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gunsaholic
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Winnipeg, Manitoba
No!! Here is a little info.
hate to disagree with you guys, since you are having such a lively discussion, but the shotgun in question is probably not chambered in 44 Gamegetter. Marbles gamgetters were cheap single-shot guns. It is more likely chambered in 44XL (1-9/16"). From Carrtidges of the World, Chapter 11- Shotgun Shells:
Quote:
Historical Notes- Made in the early 1900s, shotguns in this bore size were intended solely for use in hunting small game. This could be considered the forerunner to the 410 shotshell. Brass cases and paper shot containers were used. Overall, length was 2-1/32" with a case length of 1-9/32". The standard loading used No. 8 shot in a folded paper container, which protruded substantially from the brass case. Both single-barrel and double-barreled shotguns were offered in this chambering. Actual bore diameter was similar to the 44-caliber rifle cartridges (0.425") and would be called a 61-gauge.
From the reference tables:
Paper or wood shot container
Rim diameter- .525"
Base diameter- .471"
Mouth diameter- .443"
Case length- 1.57"
Open length- 2.03"
Bore diameter- .425"
Centerfire
So, theoretically, it appears that if you were determined to shoot it, you could make shotshells from 44-40 cases and use 44-caliber Speer shot capsules if you turn them down by .004" since they are .429", but it appears the 44XL rim is thinner so the rims would have to be turned. Charge would have to be black powder.
If it were mine, I would use something like the new American Pioneer powder rather than real black powder, due to fouling and corrosion issues. Or just clean it up and not shoot it at all. The shotgun probably has considerable collector value.
hate to disagree with you guys, since you are having such a lively discussion, but the shotgun in question is probably not chambered in 44 Gamegetter. Marbles gamgetters were cheap single-shot guns. It is more likely chambered in 44XL (1-9/16"). From Carrtidges of the World, Chapter 11- Shotgun Shells:
Quote:
Historical Notes- Made in the early 1900s, shotguns in this bore size were intended solely for use in hunting small game. This could be considered the forerunner to the 410 shotshell. Brass cases and paper shot containers were used. Overall, length was 2-1/32" with a case length of 1-9/32". The standard loading used No. 8 shot in a folded paper container, which protruded substantially from the brass case. Both single-barrel and double-barreled shotguns were offered in this chambering. Actual bore diameter was similar to the 44-caliber rifle cartridges (0.425") and would be called a 61-gauge.
From the reference tables:
Paper or wood shot container
Rim diameter- .525"
Base diameter- .471"
Mouth diameter- .443"
Case length- 1.57"
Open length- 2.03"
Bore diameter- .425"
Centerfire
So, theoretically, it appears that if you were determined to shoot it, you could make shotshells from 44-40 cases and use 44-caliber Speer shot capsules if you turn them down by .004" since they are .429", but it appears the 44XL rim is thinner so the rims would have to be turned. Charge would have to be black powder.
If it were mine, I would use something like the new American Pioneer powder rather than real black powder, due to fouling and corrosion issues. Or just clean it up and not shoot it at all. The shotgun probably has considerable collector value.
greyman441
CGN Regular
- Location
- Wasaga Beach, ON
Ya the shotgun takes 44 shot shells. I was given a iver johnson in 44 shot so I bored it out to accept 3 inch .410 shells. Works great now. Great little shotgun.
gunsaholic
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Winnipeg, Manitoba
Yes-it was designed for 44 shotshells of the day. Here is another blurb.
Now, as to firing 44 Magnum ammunition in a 410 shotgun.......... you've gotta be out of your mind. Once again we are talking about firing oversized (.429) projectiles down a .410 diameter bore. We are also talking about two grossly different cartridges. The 44 magnum is a very high pressure round with a SAAMI pressure rating of 36000 psi. Firing one of these in a 410 shotgun of any type will likely result in catastrophic disassembly of both the firearm and various body parts.
Now, as to firing 44 Magnum ammunition in a 410 shotgun.......... you've gotta be out of your mind. Once again we are talking about firing oversized (.429) projectiles down a .410 diameter bore. We are also talking about two grossly different cartridges. The 44 magnum is a very high pressure round with a SAAMI pressure rating of 36000 psi. Firing one of these in a 410 shotgun of any type will likely result in catastrophic disassembly of both the firearm and various body parts.
Decades ago ( in a previous life it seems ) we shot 38-40 WCF rounds in a .410 shotgun. Dad had lots of them as we had a '92 rifle and since they were
.401 dia. they actually shot quite well.... not exactly bench rest accuracy but still a lot of fun.
.401 dia. they actually shot quite well.... not exactly bench rest accuracy but still a lot of fun.
