.410 Advice anyone?

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Im looking at buying a light, handy, budget .410 for grouse hunting this fall. Probably a single shot. Ive found 3 that look interesting; the Bakial IZH-18, the Yildiz TK-36, and the H&R pardner. Does anyone have any experience with any of these? any recommendations? Thanks in advance!
 
All jokes aside the H&R is hard to beat and easier to open the action for younger shooters or gloved thumb. All three you mentioned are solid but I would still opt for the H&R or a good used cooey.
 
id say a nice cooey 84 or 840. very nice guns and canadian made:D or the H&R, a fellow i always see out hunting has one with the "mariner" finish and its a very nice gun.
personly though i would go with 12ga or 20ga instead of .410 just becouse there is more selection for ammo and its alot cheaper.
 
Last season I carried along the Baikal .410 (with synthetic stocks).....slim and compact, it was a nice and well made single shot. I particularly liked the black stocks on the shotgun.

Unlike the H&R or the Yildiz (lousy, the way it flops open), the advantage is that the brand is a takedown, double action firearm.
 
probably 30 yards and in. I'd also love to hear suggestions on loads for it. I was thinking 3" in either 6 or 7.5 shot. I think im sorta between the H&R and Bakial now.
 
i had a Mossberg 500e in .410, and my grandfather has a cooey 84 in .410 and all we use is shot #4 but sometimes #6 if no one has #4. both 2.5" and 3" are nice, little less recoil and distance with 2.5" though. just aim for the head and you will take the head right off with #4. however with that Mossberg i had, it had a full choke and i still had to right close to the grouse to even hit it, the one day i was maybe 20' away from one and i fired 2 shots of 3" remington #4 (i believe magnums) and it didnt do anything to the grouse so i got a little ticked off with the "under powered" .410 so i traded it in for my Stevens 311-H SxS 12ga and used that for the rest of the season.

i personly love shot 4 for small game (rabbits and grouse) with my 12 gauges and 20 gauge since it has a nice tight pattern, with 12 gauge i aim about 1-2" above the head and it taked the head and half the neck clean off with no bb's in the breast.
 
If you plan on shooting grouse at 30 yards, pass on the .410 and get a 20 gauge. The 20 will be better at any distance.
 
If you plan on shooting grouse at 30 yards, pass on the .410 and get a 20 gauge. The 20 will be better at any distance.

X2. With the .410 keep those shots under 20 yards.....I hit a bird (on the ground) at aprox 30 yds range (paced the distance afterwards since the 410 was an experiment for me)...the shot just clipped its wing although I pointed well over its head....the bird ran into the undergrowth and I was unable to find it (no dog)....thought of a suffering bird can remain on one's conscience for quite awhile.

I must've taken around 20 birds last year with that .410 using 2.5in shells...all under 20 yds and no bird took a second step. That one bird decided for me to revert to my 20/28s...shoot on the wing, its either a clean miss or the bird comes down.

The 410 is deadly for stationary birds like the Ruffed Grouse at a reasonable range. Wingshooting, unless in the hands of an experienced individual, is a futile effort. :)
 
Yeah its definitely intended to stationary grouse. Im sorta leaning toward 3" #6. The hiker is neat, but its just a little short I think. I believe im gonna go for the H&R pardner. Wholesale Sports has them for $130 so thats pretty hard to beat.
 
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