410 for women

My last choice would be 16 gauge. Most are built on 12 gauge frames, so get the 12. 12 gauge is readily available everywhere! 16 is not! The 12 can be had in cheaper and lighter recoil loads than a 16. What you can do to a 16 to get it to recoil less, you can do to a 12. Between 20 and 28 in optimum loads there is little difference. Between the two I would pick the 20 because of availability of cheap ammo and the option of 3 inch. If one patterns the whole lot of gauges, it is obvious that only one often throws a less than game getting pattern at normal range. That is the 410.
 
Want to see how effective a 410 is? Figure out the average distance of most of your successful flushed shots. Now take any gauge and a .410 out to a gopher field in the spring or summer and compare. Only shoot gophers at your average or a little further. Only count the ker...plunk dead on ground kills or ones you could retrieve before they go down the hole. I am sure you will hit one with every shot. Compare the kill or retrieve ratio.
 
I would go with a semi auto 20 gauge,as recoil is light,ammunition is readily available,and the same diameter pattern is more dense than with the 410.
 
A .410 is a great choice for a first shotgun. My first gun was a .410 (got it when i was 12) and hunted and killed countless # of rabbit and grouse with it. So to say a .410 is a gun only for an expert, not a beginner is a incorrect statement.
Just because one person has a hard time hitting moving targets with a small patterned shotgun doesn't mean others will

A .410 is not a small patterned shotgun.It's a thinly patterned shotgun.Big difference.Definitly an experts gun.Just go to any skeet competition.Check out the 12 and 20 gauge scores.Then check out the .410 scores.
Dave
 
My last choice would be 16 gauge. Most are built on 12 gauge frames, so get the 12. 12 gauge is readily available everywhere! 16 is not! The 12 can be had in cheaper and lighter recoil loads than a 16. What you can do to a 16 to get it to recoil less, you can do to a 12. Between 20 and 28 in optimum loads there is little difference. Between the two I would pick the 20 because of availability of cheap ammo and the option of 3 inch. If one patterns the whole lot of gauges, it is obvious that only one often throws a less than game getting pattern at normal range. That is the 410.

Ever tried a 16ga. on a 20 frame?
 
A .410 is not a small patterned shotgun.It's a thinly patterned shotgun.Big difference.Definitly an experts gun.Just go to any skeet competition.Check out the 12 and 20 gauge scores.Then check out the .410 scores.
Dave

I stand corrected on my choose of words to discribe the pattern, but will never agree that it's a experts gun.
 
I stand corrected on my choose of words to discribe the pattern, but will never agree that it's a experts gun.
There is a reason that us skeet shooters refer to the 410 as " the idiot stick".

Compared to a 28 , or a 20, the 410 is greatly lacking in patternability ( tech term)
The reason it was referred to as an "experts gun" is because it is the hardest shotgun to hit consistantly with.
Cat
 
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