.410 lever actions
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
The general opinion I've read on the American forums is that the Winchester works very well.
But, it's damned expensive and like other 410's, what do you use it for?
But, it's damned expensive and like other 410's, what do you use it for?
I guess
When you step back and think for a minute a good old 20 ga single will do the job quite nicely. Can't really see any other obvious use for the lever other than the novelty factor. As for the number of rounds I would assume it would have to be plugged to 3 rounds like shotguns.
When you step back and think for a minute a good old 20 ga single will do the job quite nicely. Can't really see any other obvious use for the lever other than the novelty factor. As for the number of rounds I would assume it would have to be plugged to 3 rounds like shotguns.
You must plug a
semi-automatic or repeating shotgun so
that it will not hold more than a total of three shells in the
chamber and magazine combined. Under the Criminal Code
of Canada you cannot possess any clip/magazine that holds
more than five shots for a semi-automatic centre fire rifle
unless that clip/magazine has been specifically exempted
pursuant to the Firearms Regulations.
I beg you to differ.
Ontario speaking here, but I'm sure it applies to all provinces. Actually, most of the world as well.
that it will not hold more than a total of three shells in the
chamber and magazine combined. Under the Criminal Code
of Canada you cannot possess any clip/magazine that holds
more than five shots for a semi-automatic centre fire rifle
unless that clip/magazine has been specifically exempted
pursuant to the Firearms Regulations.
I beg you to differ.
Ontario speaking here, but I'm sure it applies to all provinces. Actually, most of the world as well.
In Ontario the 3 round rule applies to all shotguns when hunting, reqardless of game, this includes big game too (for 12 and 20 gauge slugs). At the gun clubs no plug is required for target shooting, but if gun is used for both, you better put plug back in before leaving the gun club grounds.
IN BC, you only need to have the plug installed if you are huting using shot. So no plug for slug gunning deer or bear.
As for the lever 410? What the hell is the point?
The only purpose of this I coudl see is if you spent alot of time tramping around shooitng running jackrabbits at close range. And you coudl use a pump shotgun or a repeating rimfire rifle for that, too...
As for the lever 410? What the hell is the point?
The only purpose of this I coudl see is if you spent alot of time tramping around shooitng running jackrabbits at close range. And you coudl use a pump shotgun or a repeating rimfire rifle for that, too...
tripod1 said:
you only need to plug it while hunting. No plug for the rest, rang or not.
Remained to be discussed is if you need to plug it while shooting your domestic animals or pests...... Why? Hunting is related to wildlife
A pump shotgun is a repeating firearm. I guess whoever made the law had a drilling and was gelous.....
I have a Marlin 410 and love it!!! Going to shoot a deer with it some day. Shoot skeet and sporting clays with it. I am reloading shells as they cost 2x as much as 12 ga and can reload for about 4$ a box. I don't even bother with 12 ga reloading anymore as factory 3 dram loads cost very little more than reloading. If you have/love lever action rifles then these guns are the ideal mate to keep you up with functioning the gun.
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- Sunny Manitoba
I handled one of these at the SIR store in Winnipeg. It looks cool and seems well balanced, but I couldn't justify getting one. For grouse, rabbit etc. I use a 16 or 12 ga pump with something between an IC and modified choke and #6 lead shot. i usually aim a bit high to avoid too many pellets in the meat. If you're hiking a fair bit and the shotgun is too heavy or if recoil is an issue, use a good .22.
while I'd never planned to try to shoot (at) deer with the 410 Brenneke slugger, the 1250 fps 125 grainer is somewhat adequate for that size game.
I'm not saying it's a prime choice, but we have here a lot of hunters lobbying for handgun hunting, and I don't think all of them plan to shoot some JDJ cartridge... rather the 1911 they got from Marstar. Is that adequate?
I know it's a weird law to allow the 410 to be used even on moose, but so it is the 22 hornet.
I believe it is the hunter who ethically makes the choice regarding the caliber. Take into consideration that shooting at an animal @300m with a riflle boresighted "by the guy who knew what he was doing down at the shop" .....
I have a Backpaker 12" .410 for grouse. If that is the only one at hand, loaded with 3" slugs, would you rather have a spear?
I'm not saying it's a prime choice, but we have here a lot of hunters lobbying for handgun hunting, and I don't think all of them plan to shoot some JDJ cartridge... rather the 1911 they got from Marstar. Is that adequate?
I know it's a weird law to allow the 410 to be used even on moose, but so it is the 22 hornet.
I believe it is the hunter who ethically makes the choice regarding the caliber. Take into consideration that shooting at an animal @300m with a riflle boresighted "by the guy who knew what he was doing down at the shop" .....
I have a Backpaker 12" .410 for grouse. If that is the only one at hand, loaded with 3" slugs, would you rather have a spear?
- Location
- Surrey, BC
This may be the case, but not in BC. Page 16 of the current BC hunting regs, titled "Legal Hunting Methods & Provincial Bag Limits" shows that hunting deer with shotguns is legal, BUT a note at the bottom of the page states that the shotgun used must have a bore of 20 gauge or larger and use shot size No.1 Buck or larger.Gatehouse said:I thik they can legally hunt deer wtih .410 sugs in Ontario. Why, I do not know!
I agree with Gatehouse, why you'd want to hunt deer with a .410 is beyond me. If you were hunting in a shotgun-only area with lots of brush, then I could understand, but I'd still choose a 12 gauge smoothbore w/rifled slugs over a .410 in a heartbeat. Most of the information I've encountered about .410 slugs places them on-par with .357 Mag pistol rounds (fired out of a pistol, not a rifle). At 55 yards, a .410 slug will have lost 1/2 its ME (only 1700-ish Fps and 630-ish ft/lbs to start with) due to its poor BC and horrible sectional density. Granted, meat damage will be minimal, but the chances of an ethical 1-shot kill are almost zero if you ask me. I'd do it if .410 were the only thing I had, ie; survival situation, but if the law allows you to use centrefire rifle calibers that are more suitable, why would you bother with a .410?
As for the mag cap debate for shotguns, the next page (p.17) has a note regarding shotguns used for hunting big game that says; "Where the use of a shotgun is allowed for hunting big game, an unplugged shotgun holding more than 2 shells and firing single projectiles only (slugs) may be used."
eltorro said:
I must admit a mistake, and admission etc here...
You are correct. It is the HUNTER that makes the choice.
I am a firm beiver that the guy with a spear that knows what he is doing, is fr more likely to make a clean kill than the guy with a 300 RUM that doesn't know what he is doing!!!
I have long dissagreed with our (BC) bison hunting regs that say (for exmple) you can use a 180gr balistic tip in a 300 Weatherby, but a 160gr TSX bulet form a 7RM is illegaL...
On this topic, I *think* there is no reason to exclude the slug hunter with the .410, if he knows what he is doing, and imits range.
I would not encourage it, however.......
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Yup. You can legally hunt deer with a 410 in Ontario.
That doesn't make it a wise practice though.
In my farming days I put down a sick calf with a head shot from a 410 slug at point blank range. No exit. Not impressed.
That doesn't make it a wise practice though.
In my farming days I put down a sick calf with a head shot from a 410 slug at point blank range. No exit. Not impressed.
