410 out of 45 70
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I've never tried .410 shells in my Marlin but I do own an alternative to answer the .45 Colt/.410 dilemma. It's too bad that I can't use it for grouse and critters but it's not exactly a tack driver in any case. Lots of fun though!!!
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- New Brunswick
My grandfather only carried one thing during all of hunting season - a Remington .410 shotgun. It was good for 3" magnum shotshells, so he also carried 44-40's. They shot just fine (well, if 12" groups at 50 yards is fine) but the cases would split. I tried it once, just to say I did. Thankfully the depression is over and I can afford to buy a proper rifle and I'm not forced to such desperate measures.
Interestingly several revolvers are available chambered .45LC/.410 - Magnum Research's BFR and the Taurus Judge. They look ridiculous, like the revolver Joe Piscopo used in "Johnny Dangerously". The 88 Magnum - "It shoots through schools!"
Interestingly several revolvers are available chambered .45LC/.410 - Magnum Research's BFR and the Taurus Judge. They look ridiculous, like the revolver Joe Piscopo used in "Johnny Dangerously". The 88 Magnum - "It shoots through schools!"
ILoveBigRacks
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- Beaumont, AB
I've done the same as the others just to try it. Pretty much same result too. .410 light game load out of my stainless guide gun produced circular pattern (for obvious reasons) with large empty space in the middle. Mine will not eject the hull though, not horribly stuck but I do need to use something rigid to catch the lip of shell to pull it out.
SO the .410 ina 45LC bore is okay but not the other way around? I assume that means the 410 shell just floats in the bore? How does that work?
Many guns are chambered 45 / 410.....why do you suggest danger and a bulged barrel?
And for the record, I put a 410 through my 4570 GG......funny, but useless...lol
I have shot lots of 4-10 21/2 shells in my guide gun. Pattern is a doughnut shape and range is limited to around 15y, maybe 20y on a stretch. I feed it one at a timeand never had a extraction problem after being shot, but sometimes it is had to extract the shell if it has not been shot. Cases are throw aways after firing. Does anyone have some info on how to make them out 45-70 or 444 cases such as powder used, shot number and weight as I have tried to make some up and have not had any success at it.
Keith
Keith
SO the .410 ina 45LC bore is okay but not the other way around? I assume that means the 410 shell just floats in the bore? How does that work?
Many guns are chambered 45 / 410.....why do you suggest danger and a bulged barrel?
And for the record, I put a 410 through my 4570 GG......funny, but useless...lol
again, look at your BORE DIAMETER- why is this so darned hard to grasp?- 45 is BIGGER than 41, so the reason that the 45/410 works is THE BORE ON THOSE GUNS IS 45 CALIBER- a really dramatic example was when the americans fired german 8x57mm in their 30.06 rifles back in the wars- they fit, chambered, and fired, but when the 323 bullet( 8mm is 323) met the 308 bore( 30-06) it couldn't "squeeze down" enough and the RIFLE BLEW UP- THAT DIFFERANCE IS 15 THOU- WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS 19 THOU OR EVEN MORE IN THE CASE OF 45
if you use a 410 shot in a 45 that is not a smooth bore , the shot bounces off the rifling as it's going down the barrel and gives a pattern where there's lots of fringe, but nothing in the centre-
This is another old tale that has been around for decades, but has no substance to it at all.
Try and chamber an 8X57 in a 30-06 rifle. It will not chamber, period! You cannot get it to go in with a sledge hammer.
Just try it and see.
Ted
.45 LONG COlt isn't really incorrect. There was ammunition made to .45 S&W Schofield dimensions, headstamped .45 Colt. So there WAS a .45 SHORT Colt, and therefore a .45 LONG COlt.
Mike Venturino wrote about it in the July RIFLE magazine, he has an example of this ammo in his cartridge collection.
Mike Venturino wrote about it in the July RIFLE magazine, he has an example of this ammo in his cartridge collection.
Chamber Inserts
So, in a similar vein as dumping shotgun shells in a rifle, is it legal to use chamber inserts, whereby someone takes an old and unwanted .22 lr barrel, and turns it on a lathe so that it looks like say, a .30-06 cartridge for the purpose of firing a rim fire cartridge in a larger caliber centre fire rifle?
Next, our creative machinist makes a plug for the case head end of this chamber insert so that a centre fire rifle's firing pin hits the plug, and the plug in essence converts centre fire to rim fire, detonates the .22lr cartridge, and voila, your favorite bambi/bullwinke slayer is able to fling a .22lr slug at a tastey spruce chicken.
There is a dude in Alaska that makes these chamber inserts, but I've not seen them in Canada. Seems like a wonderful idea, particularly since most of us frost bitten Canadians are not permitted to carry .22 handguns around in the woods, and carrying 2 rifles just plain sucks while moose hunting.
Thoughts?
So, in a similar vein as dumping shotgun shells in a rifle, is it legal to use chamber inserts, whereby someone takes an old and unwanted .22 lr barrel, and turns it on a lathe so that it looks like say, a .30-06 cartridge for the purpose of firing a rim fire cartridge in a larger caliber centre fire rifle?
Next, our creative machinist makes a plug for the case head end of this chamber insert so that a centre fire rifle's firing pin hits the plug, and the plug in essence converts centre fire to rim fire, detonates the .22lr cartridge, and voila, your favorite bambi/bullwinke slayer is able to fling a .22lr slug at a tastey spruce chicken.
There is a dude in Alaska that makes these chamber inserts, but I've not seen them in Canada. Seems like a wonderful idea, particularly since most of us frost bitten Canadians are not permitted to carry .22 handguns around in the woods, and carrying 2 rifles just plain sucks while moose hunting.
Thoughts?
It's perfectlylegal to use chamber inserts, barrel inserts, adapters that are shaped like a 30-06 but shoot a pistol cartridge, etc.
Los of ways to gt from A to B.
Myself, I load sub sonic or reduced loads ammo for my rifle. Cheap and easy.
