410 slug considerd centre fire?

not a chance you need more than a 20 g why 20 ...
so go big or go home buy
10gauge solve the problem right then and there question answered
leave the 410 for grouse
i love my benelli super black eagle fully rifled 12 gauge barrel does the trick every time
 
At reasonable ranges a .410 slug will kill deer till the cows come home.I have a Savage 24 .22/.410 that with Russian 3" "Bear brand "slugs can hit pop cans every shot at 50 yards.Deer would be very dead if need be.Back when Savage actually took the time to regulate their barrels.
 
mbogo3 said:
At reasonable ranges a .410 slug will kill deer till the cows come home.I have a Savage 24 .22/.410 that with Russian 3" "Bear brand "slugs can hit pop cans every shot at 50 yards.Deer would be very dead if need be.Back when Savage actually took the time to regulate their barrels.
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Perfect. 50 yards would be max mostly 20 yards for deer.
 
boren said:
Thought it was for water fowl only. Upland there is no capacity limit. Could be wrong. On pumps that is. Never had a semi shotgun
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Here in Ontario, I've had shotguns, even a 870 Slug gun, checked to make sure you can't fit more than 2 in the mag. The CO's have a plastic dowel they insert in the mag.
 
Papaclaude said:
Here in Ontario, I've had shotguns, even a 870 Slug gun, checked to make sure you can't fit more than 2 in the mag. The CO's have a plastic dowel they insert in the mag.
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Yep it was Ontario this stupid NS hunter almost got charged when checked and it was nothing but fluke the upland gun I was using still had it's factory plug in it
Cheers
 
boren said:
Thought it was for water fowl only. Upland there is no capacity limit. Could be wrong. On pumps that is. Never had a semi shotgun
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here's the regs text:
It is unlawful to hunt or trap with a set gun or with a pump, repeating or auto
loading shotgun unless the magazine contains a plug that is incapable of holding
more than 2 cartridges. Where the use of a shotgun is allowed for hunting or
trapping big game, an unplugged shotgun holding more than 2 cartridges and firing
single projectiles only (slugs) may be used
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boren said:
Thought it was for water fowl only. Upland there is no capacity limit. Could be wrong. On pumps that is. Never had a semi shotgun
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Incorrect, if you are using shot. If you are shooting chickens with 410 slugs, THEN there isn't a magazine restriction. If you are using shot there IS a magazine restriction.
 
A little food for thought:

The 2 1/2 410 slug is 87 grains, and produces 500ftlbs at 20 yards, and 300ftlbs at 50 yards.

The 3” 410 slug is 110 grains, and produces 600ftlbs at 20 yards, and 350ftlbs at 50 yards.

And a couple others for comparison:

9mm (fired from a pistol): 330 and 303 respectively

45acp (pistol): 345 and 330

357mag (pistol): 461 and 388

45LC (pistol): 401 and 378

22lr: 124 and 106

17hmr: 224 and 189

22 hornet: 650 and 550

223 rem: 1230 and 1140

243 win: 1870 and 1780

30-30: 1710 and 1560

308win: 2640 and 2500

20ga slug 2 3/4”: 1430 and 980

12ga slug 2 3/4”: 1900 and 1310


Not that energy is the be all and end all, but something to chew on when you see where the 410 falls amongst other popular rounds.
 
Good interesting info there. I know the 308 makes a bit of damage at close range = waste or dog food. I could try a 12g slug or buck shot. But thinking the 410 slug might be a better choice for less waste
 
Shoot deer in the lungs then caliber or gauge is irrelevant. Numbers don't mean much.A .357 carbine did 20" of deer and it was a bangflop.
 
boren said:
Legally? Asking for a friend :) Don't see much difference. Actual reason I'm curious is the regs here say centrefire and minimum 20g for deer.
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Page 78 of the Hunter Education Manual you recieve when you take the Hunter Ed Course states the exception to the shotgun rule is the .410, which "has a bore diameter of 410/1000ths of an inch or .410 caliber" so technically it is not a shotgun it is a center fire rifle when a single projectile is used.
 
hondaryder said:
Page 78 of the Hunter Education Manual you recieve when you take the Hunter Ed Course states the exception to the shotgun rule is the .410, which "has a bore diameter of 410/1000ths of an inch or .410 caliber" so technically it is not a shotgun it is a center fire rifle when a single projectile is used.
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Back when we had the LGR, 410's were listed as shotguns. They are universally considered shotguns, not rifles (actually, it would be more of a musket, 'cuz it ain't rifled). Personally, I wouldn't risk trying the rifle argument before a judge. Could be an expensive way to try to make a point, but that's just me.
 
hondaryder said:
Page 78 of the Hunter Education Manual you recieve when you take the Hunter Ed Course states the exception to the shotgun rule is the .410, which "has a bore diameter of 410/1000ths of an inch or .410 caliber" so technically it is not a shotgun it is a center fire rifle when a single projectile is used.
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You’re talking about Ontario publications to a guy in BC.
 
mbogo3 said:
Shoot deer in the lungs then caliber or gauge is irrelevant. Numbers don't mean much.A .357 carbine did 20" of deer and it was a bangflop.
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boren said:
357 looks close to a 410 slug. But yep shot placement for sure
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357 out of a rifle vs out of a pistol (above) are vastly different. Winchester lists their Super X .357 out of a rifle at 1060ftlbs at 20 yards, and 920ftlbs at 50 yards. That’s twice what the .410 puts out at 20 yards, and three times what it puts out at 50 yards.

“You do you” as the kids these days say, but I can tell you I personally wouldn’t employ a .410 for deer unless it was a last resort.
 
I would use a 357 Magnum long before I would use a .410 slug to hunt deer.

For starters, the 410 shotgun is illegal in BC for big game. But more important is the construction of most .357 bullets are superior for penetration than a 410 foster slug.
 
Goal is to minimize waste while still executing a quick kill at 20 yards. No 100+ yard shots. I use a bow and xbow a lot as well as a rifle. My rifle caliber is 308win. I've also got a couple 12g. Never shot a deer at close range w a 12g. Much damage w slug or buck shot? Clean kill w buck shot? I know what 308 does
 
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