.410 slug gun

Ty500+ said:
The comment earlier about a .410 giving better confidence to a .243 made me laugh a bit..my rifle is a .243win, I was hoping to take it up north for whitetail sometime also :( haha

But..again..not worried. I've watched a .243 take deer out to 350y..probably even further if accurate enough..I'm not..ill be a 100-150y limit kinda guy for a bit yet

Plus..this whole 410 thing so far is theory. I do own a 12g 535 with a rifled barrel
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If it's just accuracy you seek, I'd just get sabots for your 12g and put your fixed optic on that.

IMHO
 
Boomer said:
There is nothing gained by a minimalist approach to big game cartridges, and this ongoing effort to define the line between what kills humanely and what doesn't lies as close to the definition of unethical as anything I can think of.
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Very well stated Boomer.

It truly is sad that some fail to acknowledge, accept or even understand this fairness to animals
they hunt and the choice of tools they decide to hunt them with.
 
There is no need nor advantage to use any cal. that is questionable. A 22 will work but should not be used. Use enough gun. Again I do not believe you will be welcome in our hunting camp and maybe others. Use enough gun, our game deserves it.
 
A .410 slug will punch right through a car hood at 50 yards [old car dump..not a driveby]so I don't see a deer suffering.Set up ambushes on trails at bow ranges and wait for an unsuspecting target.My Savage .22/.410 is very accurate with slugs and irons .Bean cans at 50 yards every time ,but they regulated the older 24's not like the junk today.Harold
 
mbogo3 said:
A .410 slug will punch right through a car hood at 50 yards [old car dump..not a driveby]so I don't see a deer suffering.Set up ambushes on trails at bow ranges and wait for an unsuspecting target.My Savage .22/.410 is very accurate with slugs and irons .Bean cans at 50 yards every time ,but they regulated the older 24's not like the junk today.Harold
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So will a .22

That doesn't make it an ideal deer rifle. Punching through thin sheet metal has nothing to do with the terminal balistics of a deer.
 
Here in Nova Scotia they made it legal to shoot a deer with a 410 slug, why I don t know.With a 308 ,30/06 ,44ag and a 45/70 can t see me ever using a 410 to shoot a deer just doesn t make sense
 
chasseur said:
Here in Nova Scotia they made it legal to shoot a deer with a 410 slug, why I don t know.With a 308 ,30/06 ,44ag and a 45/70 can t see me ever using a 410 to shoot a deer just doesn t make sense
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You know why they made it legal? Because its just as good as any other round out there, all this hate for 410 from people who know very little about the round, its essentially a 357 with velocities of 1800fps, how is it inferior?? Ignorance around here is so blatant, even from folks who call themselves hunters. Just because your grand pappi used a 12 gauge or 30/06 don't make them some ideal rounds.

a 410 will also punch a nice hole in a concrete block at 50 yards, a .22 won't so stop comparing the two, so much ignorance, and misinformation here today, jeez, its sunday fellas, can't we all just agree to be factual?
 
There are facts, and there are personal limitations.

First, some facts:







Many folks consider the .223 marginal for deer. But the .410 slug carries over 500 pounds less energy than a .223. Even a .22 hornet packs more punch than the .410. At 100 yards, the .410 is down only 200ftlbs. That's low enough to be concerning.

As for personal limitations, my own limit is : Whatever the range, whatever the rifle, whatever the big game - I'll put at least 1000 foot pounds of energy into the animal. That means nothing further than 100y for the SKS, 150 for the 30-30, and the .308 carries enough energy well beyond my accuracy window.

But that's me. To each his own. .410 would be just about my very last choice of legal deer gun. But if you're comfortable at that level, have at 'er.
 
nobody was talking about shooting at deer at 100 yards with a 410 ,,,,but I am hear to tell you that at 50 yards the 410 slug will travel threw a deer chest ;killing it clean,,,the fellow that carried one in are group was 89lb 4foot 7 and very weak he did not walk far and got to stand on logging roads were the deer would cross ,He shot a few at 15 to 35 yards that I seen and all were killed clean ,,The deer would pop out on the lane stop and look around and boom ,,down thy went ,,,,he carried a little sxs that was very small and weight next to nothing ,,,Dutch
 
dutchhunter said:
nobody was talking about shooting at deer at 100 yards with a 410 ,,,,but I am hear to tell you that at 50 yards the 410 slug will travel threw a deer chest ;killing it clean,,,the fellow that carried one in are group was 89lb 4foot 7 and very weak he did not walk far and got to stand on logging roads were the deer would cross ,He shot a few at 15 to 35 yards that I seen and all were killed clean ,,The deer would pop out on the lane stop and look around and boom ,,down thy went ,,,,he carried a little sxs that was very small and weight next to nothing ,,,Dutch
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Jebus!! Did you at least tie a tether to his leg so he wouldn't blow away if the wind picked up!? Lol.

For a fella like that, I suppose it fits the bill well.
 
Maybe the .410 is sufficient under ideal conditions...I don't know, and I can't imagine why I'd ever care to test it. And I don't think that even the most rabid defenders of it actually believe that it is "just as good" as a 12 or a 20.

It seems to me that a person who asks this question is probably the very last person that should actually be attempting this stunt. Will the .410 kill ducks, or geese, or turkeys? In the hands of an expert, who is willing and able to set up an absolutely perfect shot scenario and who will pass up anything less than ideal...of course it will. But an inexperienced hunter is less likely to wait for that shot, or to even know what he should be looking for. The same holds for deer. It doesn't really matter that an 89-year old man killed plenty of deer with it. He probably killed many, many more throughout his life, so that by the time he started with the .410 he had decades of experience and had developed the skills, the patience and the technique that made him successful...despite his use of a marginal gun. Too bad he isn't still around...it would be interesting to ask him how many deer he passed up each year before one finally presented him with a ".410-worthy" shot. I'll bet there were plenty of occasions when he wished that he could still properly handle a 12- or 20-gauge gun.
 
Sure a .410 rifled slug will kill a deer on a broadside shot at 50 yards or less every time. But how about quartering, tail end shot or some other bad angle? If you are a careful hunter and realize its limitations, fine. But many don't have the judgement to pass on an iffy shot or a bit longer range. If measured by gauge as the other shotguns are the .410 is a 67 gauge, that should give some idea of its effectiveness compared to say a 16 or 20 gauge. Starting out at 1800 fps doesn't mean a lot when the poor aerodynamics of the projectile cause it to shed velocity really fast. A super choice for whacking the porcupine that has taken up residence under the camp but for deer hunting there are many better choices. Shotgun slugs kill by mass and large frontal area, the .410 slug doesn't possess much of either.
 
Under the right conditions a 410 slug will kill a deer no doubt. So will a 45 colt. 357 mag. 40 SW. 458 wm with 500 gr solids. Are these the best choice? No but they can and do work. Not my person choice for deer but remember when muzzleloader guns used round balls they killed animals to. Paper ballistics are one thing. Hunting and getting close and placing a bullet in the right spot are is a totally different thing
In an open timbered wood lot or snow covered landscape I personally would not object to a skilled hunted taking deer within 50 yards. I've seen deer shot and killed with 410 slugs. I've also seen deer shot in the guts with a 300 Wm. Watched it run clear across the concession block to run off and die
 
brybenn said:
Under the right conditions a 410 slug will kill a deer no doubt. So will a 45 colt. 357 mag. 40 SW. 458 wm with 500 gr solids. Are these the best choice? No but they can and do work. Not my person choice for deer but remember when muzzleloader guns used round balls they killed animals to. Paper ballistics are one thing. Hunting and getting close and placing a bullet in the right spot are is a totally different thing
In an open timbered wood lot or snow covered landscape I personally would not object to a skilled hunted taking deer within 50 yards. I've seen deer shot and killed with 410 slugs. I've also seen deer shot in the guts with a 300 Wm. Watched it run clear across the concession block to run off and die
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Bingo!
 
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